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Canada 1858 Large Cent Variety

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Hello, I might be a little lose but has anyone ever seen this on an 1858. The two As in GRATIA look off!

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 Posted 12/03/2014  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know very little about Canadian coins but those look like inverted V's, but maybe that's how they were minted back then.
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Inverted v are a possibility yet very slim cause I'd imagine it would be a known variety by now. I'm thinking its an over polished die or lots of die ware or both.
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 Posted 12/03/2014  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please post larger sharp pics of both sides and we will look for other "markers".. Notice how the I is also incomplete...
...let's see all of the both side legends..

Could be a filled die..ie:..grease in the die..but I'm no expert in these matters...

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I will try to post more pics soon!
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I'm thinking its the result of a plugged die. Grease for instance.
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 Posted 12/03/2014  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellmaker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
V's for A's nice find!
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Probably Grease Filled Dies.

Many other letters are missing serifs ..etc..(example..the "A" in CANADA)
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If it were an overpolished die, grease filled or a similar event, would there still not be slight markers of any kind where the cross bar attaches the sides. I don't see any evidence of that at all in both "A's" or call it inverted "V's", IMO.
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The "A" in "CANADA" caught my attention right off. Interesting find!
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.. No matter what caused it..it is very interesting indeed..and I do like it...

Glad that the extra pics were added here..
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Full Vine Full stem very kool coin
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The 1870 10 cent coin charlton # 18 has an exact variety as your coin---- It is called " Die Deterioration , IA of GRATIA ".
Yours is surely a variety in Rob Turners book.
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I see doubling in T and possibly all of CENT, and 5 and possibly all of 1858.
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Yes Rob Turner identified this die pair several years back. It is an RA1/OE1. His notes on the obverse include missing or filled serifs. They are definitely A's not V's. See page 200 of his 1858 Cents of Provincial Canada book.
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