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 Posted 12/10/2014  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint sank 50 obverse and 66 reverse dies for this coin. Lots of varieties ensued. Also, because of subsequent meltings, these are much scarcer than the mintage suggests.
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 Posted 12/10/2014  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellmaker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Medieval, it is a difference that was noticed and the value of the coin most likely is a large factor to stopping any one person from completing a serious study on the subject.

May I suggest that you start a poll on the subject, would help to learn what percentage have #3 missing, partial or complete.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  01:28 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just checked the 2 I have and all three areas are well struck up. Both are sort of nice VF coins .
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 Posted 12/11/2014  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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May I suggest that you start a poll on the subject,


Since I am not a specialist Canadian collector, I leave that to one who is.
Would be interested on the result of such a poll though even if it only covers CCF members.
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 Posted 12/11/2014  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mine is definitely incomplete.

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 Posted 12/11/2014  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a VF-20, there is too much wear on the leaves and braid to call it that. Solid F-15.
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 Posted 12/13/2014  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A completed crown jewel is very scarce---I have only seen 2 or 3 out of 600 coins.
A reverse weak strike very common--probably 50% of all the coins--especially the N, T, and 5
charlton lists 4 varieties---blunders and re-engraved 5
One leaf is not attached--has no stem--not a variety
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 Posted 12/13/2014  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Minted +-700,000 but all recalled and melted for 25 cent coin.
Rob Turner's research estimates survivors are 7,642 coins.
That figure does not account for destruction of coins through jewelers, misplacement's,lost and disasters.
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With a budget of $2,000,000 this coin market could be captured and controlled for $261 per coin----first buy up all the holed, scrap ones.
then ebay and auction ones
lastly the dealers who will benefit in the price rise
then destroy all the scrap, holed ones
sell all g,f grades or destroy them
Take a bath with all your gold coins------------Good plan? maybe not.
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 Posted 12/14/2014  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've only seen weakly struck 1858's ...or 1858's with soft details as described above.

Could anyone here post a well struck one for us to compare it to?
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"With a budget of $2,000,000.00........."

I'd rather buy silver bullion right now.

A definite winner investment for the future.
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 Posted 12/14/2014  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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Reasonable strike
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 Posted 12/14/2014  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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Full jewel
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Thanks for all the information 'lambecolin'.
As per


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Rob Turner's research estimates survivors are 7,642 coins.


How many (serious) collectors of Canadian coins are out there?
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 Posted 12/14/2014  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lambercolin..Outstanding examples and the best I've ever seen.

If I was to guess,..I'd say that the "reasonable strike" was a gem specimen.

Most beautiful example that I've ever seen here...and I've never seen a "full jewel" before...

Thanks for posting such beauties..

I hope that everyone here appreciates what they're looking at..
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