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Spanish-Coin-?
What might this be? I can't find it under Spanish coins in NGC/Krause.
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Looks like a Mexican 2 reales of Charles III. Spanish king in Mexico? I know very little history...

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15061.html
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I looked it up but I can't find anything with the ME Mintmark.:-(
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In Numista it says Mexico,maybe because of the Mintmark Mo.
In my coin the Mintmark says ME.
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Peru? http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces26018.html

These reales are pretty confusing, they have the same designs.
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It's neither Spain nor Mexico but Peru.

In my edition, KM#76 includes 1775 MJ.

And @ 'SlurExe97', most of Latin America at that time were Spanish colonies (apart from Brasil which was Portuguese).
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In my coin the Mintmark says ME.


The mintmark is 'LIMAE' in monogram form.
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I certainly and very much agree with 'SlurExe97',this Spanish
coins are pretty confusing .........and I have a whole bunch of them.
I might be back at this Forum soon with more Spanish ID troubles I guess. :-)
For now I understood that ME stands for (Spanish)Peru. Then MJ are the Assayer Initials...?
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Then MJ are the Assayer Initials...?


Yes, indeed.
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I'm note really sure,if this is the correct Forum to bring this up
but regarding those 'Spaniards' and how they registered.
Since they all are actually Spanish coins they should be referred
as Spanish-Peru or Spanish-Colonial and so on....
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The Krause catalogues, rather confusingly, file them under the name of the modern successor country. Thus, Spanish colonial coins minted in Santiago are filed under "Chile", even though no such country as Chile existed before 1810. Under Spanish rule, it was administratively part of the Viceroyalty of Peru.

Personally, I would much prefer to see Spanish colonials field under either "Spanish colonials" or under the actual names of the Viceroyalties that actually existed at the time. But, since we have to work with that which exists, rather than that which might be nice to have, it's likely that Spanish colonials will continue to be referred to by coin collectors as "Mexico", "Colombia", "Chile", etc, however anachronistic this may be.
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To me it is not only anachronistic but also most unfortunate since it is
historically and ethically incorrect because they are very correctly 'Spanish
Colonials' but as you say,it's very likely that nothing will change and for
people like me,well...we always can ask for help in this great forum :-)
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I have also struggled with these Spanish colonials. Usually a Google search using the year, the two initials, and the denomination "1775 MJ 2 reales" will show results showing you it is from Peru.
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The Krause catalogues, rather confusingly, file them under the name of the modern successor country.


While true, the colonial mintmarks are noted at the beginning of the article on Spain.
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