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German Coins And Mints - Still Looking For Stuff!

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 Posted 09/11/2007  4:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Zaggy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Yep, I'm still looking for stuff... had lots of good leads from ppl, so I'm back for more!

1. Images of the six german mints:
- Berlin
- Munich
- Muldenhutten
- Stuttgart
- Karlsruhe
- Hamburg
...from 1930 to 1955 (tho ideally in the period 1933-1948)

2. Information and Images on German Pattern Coins 1933-1945

3. Production figures for:
- Reichskreditkassen (Military Issue) 5Rpf and 10Rpf (1940 and 1941)
- Allied Occupation 1Rpf, 5Rpf and 10Rpf (1945-1948)
...I have SOME figures, but lots of holes for these two coin sets


Thanks in Advance!

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 Posted 09/15/2007  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/15/2007  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zaggy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I beleive you mean Viel Glueck or Gut Glueck...

Indeed. I need it... The info just isn't out there, so its a long, slow process... That said, Wien (Vienna) was easy, Karlsruhe is done, Stuttgart images I'm waiting on and Berlin I'm waiting for a guy to get back to me... Muldenhutten, Ive a German guy looking thru some photos of his for...

1. So the NO LEADS list is down to:
- Munich
- Hamburg

The unconfirmed list is down to:
- Berlin
- Muldenhutten
- and maybe Stuttgart

The DONE list is:
- Wien
- Karlsruhe

2. Ive pictures of maybe 33% of the pattern coins produced between 1933-1945 (Copyrighted tho :( ) and a list that appears to be pretty comprehensive. So I need to know:
- WHERE are the Patterns (they dont seem to be in any of the larger German Meunzkabinetts)?
- Pics of ALL the Patterns...

3. NO LEADS, seems the remaining numbers maybe LOST to history!
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Allied Occupation (Post WWII coinage) Mintage Figures

Reichspfennig - KM#A102 - 1944D - possibly a pattern, only 1 known

Reichspfennig - KM#A103
1945F - 2,984,000
1946F - 1,633,000
1946G - 1,500,000

5 Reichspfennig - KM#A105
1947A - unknown
1947D - 16,528,000
1948A - unknown
1948E - 7,666,000

10 Reichspfennig - KM#A104
1945F - 5,942,000
1946F - 3,738,000
1946G - 1,600,000
1947A - unknown
1947E - 2,612,000
1947F - 1,269,000
1948A - unknown
1948F - 19,579,000
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Military Issue (WWII) Mintage Figures

5 Reichspfennig - KM#98
1940A - unknown
1940B - 3,020,000
1940D - unknown
1940E - 2,445,000
1940F - unknown
1940G - unknown
1940J - unknown
1941A - unknown
1941F - unknown

10 Reichspfennig - KM#99
1940A - unknown
1940B - 840,000
1940D - unknown
1940E - 5,100,000
1940F - unknown
1940G - 150,000
1940J - unknown
1941A - unknown
1941F - 2 known
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 Posted 09/19/2007  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zaggy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, updates to that info from me. the Krause production numbers (which were the first numbers I was working from, and the same as the numbers you list), are horribly inaccurate in the case of the RKK coins. I dont have the figures on me right now (as I'm sitting in the Lab at uni) but the J.619/1940G (KM99) has a minting in the area of 2.2 MILLION, not 150K like Krause says. The 1941F is something like 650K, not TWO!

J.373a (KM#A102) is actually about 1.4Million, minted in a 4-5 week period 3 weeks after the war ended (in 1945) from Modified 1944D dies (Hence the reason that all the allied 1944D's have the Reichsadler's tail 'missing' where the Hakenkreuz previously was. This coins seems to be generally regarded as the rarest of all 'production' coins of the era. 1.4Million of them WERE made, but I have no idea what happened to make so many coins disappear!

The Krause production numbers tho, for the rest of the allied production runs seem pretty close to what Ive been able to extract from the odd freshly made German contact at a Mint and a Prof that runs a Muenzkabinett. Tho they do are rounded to the nearest Thousand coins.

I was only able to get all those numbers confirmed this morning (about 5hrs ago - after having been mailed 4 pages from the 1999 Krause about 12hrs before from a different source. If anyone has it, it has quite a good selection and pictures of the Pattern coins of the era! If youve got a '99, hang on to it!! The 2000 and newer ones have removed a LOT of the illustrations of the patterns!), this is the first chance Ive had to get back onto the forum! Still, thank you Susan for the effort. They were the numbers I was running with the old Prof. came to the party!

I also learnt that pretty much all of the patterns to come out of Stuttgart, have been spread across the world! After the building was bombed, the remains were sold to a scrap merchant in the 1960's... Later when he was sorting the materials he bought, he came across a container FULL of Probemuezen/Prototypes, Specimens, one-off's, test strikes, plaques, medallions etc... They were soon after auctioned off to the highest bidder (and from the story ive heard from two separate sources now), the highest bidder was pretty high! I understand about 40-50% ended up in the US... they've become known as the 'Brandschuttmünzen' - the Fire Debris Coins!

SO IF YOURE IN THE US (or anywhere else for that matter) and you have a weird German Coin (from about 1900-ish-1944, 1917F is the earliest Ive heard of to date), with an F mintmark, that you cant find much info on, PLEASE TAKE PHOTOS OF IT AND GET THEM TO ME! PLEASE!! In fact ANY Probemuezen!
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