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Anyone Else Think This One Has Been Cleaned? PCGS

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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do you think?

He's one of my local dealers...offered to me for $1000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-S-Morg...em43d3cbc407

Gut says cleaned.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tend to agree with you.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So fake slab then?
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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not a fake slab....just PCGS isn't infallible ...or they market graded
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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Market grade was my first thought but I really don't see this as an AU details coin.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadowtrooper78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
neither do I pictures are close to what it looks like in hand
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 Posted 12/17/2014  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lot of money if it was ever cleaned. However, being inside a slab doesn't really mean not cleaned. Even TPGS's make errors.
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 Posted 12/17/2014  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel that they got mine ( Seated dollar) wrong too!
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12/18/2014 12:29 am
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 Posted 12/17/2014  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The surface doesn't look natural to me either.
I also think PCGS should have marked it "details".

I'd pass.
Even if it's not a problem coin, just that appearance
could make it a loser if you ever go to sell it.
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Images aren't good enough for me to render a reasonable opinion.
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Hard to believe that with the amount of wear it would look that 'clean,' without having been 'cleaned.'
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 Posted 12/17/2014  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If YOU think it is cleaned then it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks since you will not be happy with it.

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 Posted 12/17/2014  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to imagine that any collectible circulated coin 120 years old hasn't ever been cleaned. All those years and not even a fingerprint? Anyway - I digress. Buy not the holder, but the coin.
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Definitely dipped. The natural circulated patina has been stripped off the coin by dipping it. Not at all appealing.
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I tend to agree with PCGS, and I don't like slabs. Remember, this coin does have some wear, an it has had 120 years to acquire a decent patina.

I have a few .925 silver British crowns of the 19th century, and I would find this sort of presentation quite acceptable.

I have to admit, I like inspecting ALL of my more valuable purchases in hand before deciding to buy, and the slab just complicates things, including making photography more difficult. You can't test the coin in any reasonable way, and I don't know anywhere nearly enough about fake slabs, especially on ebay.

Nevertheless, the basic rule still applies: If your gut feeling makes you unhappy for ANY reason, don't buy it.
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12/18/2014 01:00 am
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It's a little hard to tell from the photos on this one.
Although, it does look like it was cleaned a long time ago.
If you find it questionable, don't buy it. I made that mistake with a Trade dollar once and was never happy with it. So I ended up selling it for one that had the eye appeal I was confident and pleased with.
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