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It's about time you realized this is not just SPP exercising ego. We're all following this, and SPP is only the figurehead because it's appropriate to have a Canadian Mod in the Canadian forums if there's one in stock. He speaks for CCF.

The technical term for what you're discussing is "die poop," and we're growing weary of constantly fighting to keep less-experienced members from reading this crud and thinking "dots" are important.
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Official DOTS on Canadian coins are the infamous 1936 1 cent, 10 cents and 25 cents issues where the 25 cents coins actually reached circulation. Also the 1937 5 cents has a dot after the 7 that is official and was part of the original design to balance the date. The 1938 and later five cents did not retain this feature. I for one am not aware of any other official DOTS that were purpose made part of any Canadian Coin design.
Most of the other recognized ( by cataloguers and TPG ) so called dots on Canadian coins (among them 1947 5,25 cents and Dollar denominations, the 1956 ten cents and the 1958 50 cents) are die chips from dies that had problems. These resulted in circular die chips. The OP original coin is the 2nd Queen Elizabeth II Canadian obverse that was first used in 1965. The OBVERSE BEADING is part of the official design and certainly is not referred to as dots.
If one examines various Canadian coin issues of the classic period (1858- 1968) you can find die chips, die cracks and rusted dies of just about any issue if you look closely. Die usage often bordered on excessive as die steel was expensive and die cutting involved lots of valuable time being used.
Finally , at a recent coin show in Portland OR " a good US Dealer friend of mine who sells lots of Canadian coins asked me a very valid question, that pertains to this and the associated threads that always seem to end badly or get locked. He said " Jack, what is it with Canadian Collectors, they always seem so enamored with the most miniscule and minor so called varieties that are absolutely meaningless in the large scheme of collecting?" I tend to agree !
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Bellmaker, given the personal attacks, my first reaction was to delete your post and give you a vacation, but I decided to leave it here, as an example to others who participate in this forum.


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The 'Apple Dumpling Gang' rides again.


Threads here are about coins, not people. My comment was specifically referring to the beads (or dots, as you call them) on the obverse of the coins, and the nomenclature used in Canadian numismatics. Whether or not you agree comments made here is your prerogative - but do not twist your words into personal attacks.


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If either of you bothered to read up on when the new obverse was made current for 1965, you would realize more than you do at the present moment.


Instead of being so cryptic with your messages, be constructive with your comments - do you have a reference to back that comment up? We are all here to learn and expand our knowledge...


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Didn't realize that a (I am the Greatest gift to the hobby) moderator and his trusty (I know everything about the hobby) side-kick would require them.


This comment is completely unacceptable here, or anywhere else. I will ask Jack to refrain from his "dotty" comments in the future. But, tread very carefully here...


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Let me guess, another potentially informative thread is going to sink away into the "censorship abyss".

All for the reasons that two people can't think outside their sandbox.


Correct sir!

As for censorship, I should remind you that this is a site dedicated to the promotion of numismatics, with a very high percentage of new and young collectors participating here. The free speech platform does not fly here, not for you and not for anyone else. Welcome to our sandbox.

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