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Low Grade 1847 N-23 Large Cent With Unique 7?

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Unfortunately this coin grades quite low. I believe it is 1847 N-23 (R5). The seven leans left - I think due to die crumbling. So far as I have been able to tell, there is not another example and this is unique. Is anyone aware of this crumbling 7? Does anyone have observations about this coin which would be different than what I am thinking?

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I can't see enough detail to agree or disagree on the variety. There were lots of date overpunches in 1847. Any chance that's a clue regarding the 7?
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My apologies for not showing adequate images at first!
Perhaps these will help:


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I have taken another set of photos which, I think, are clearer than my previous set of detail photos. Seems I am still trying to figure out this photography thing!

These should be adequate enough should anyone want to verify my attribution and also show more detail of the 7 in question.


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I'll agree that it is N-23 but from gunk and corrosion on the coin I can't say anything about the 7. The obv of N-23 was used later on N-11 and there is no mention about die crumbling around the 7 on that variety.
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Thank you Conder101. I did not know about the later use with N-11 (I should have known if I had read more carefully). That seems to me to be an argument against die crumbling. I wonder what else could account for the 7 appearing the way it does? I have searched through examples of N-23 and now N-11, and cannot find another example of a 7 which appears like this. I am afraid that I do not know if only one Obverse die was used for N-23 and N-11 or would there have been multiple dies? Were date numbers punched individually with large cents?
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the 7 appears like it does because of a little corrosion and some PMD.
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Corrosion can actually "move" devices as to distort them.
I can't make a determination about the 7.
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Thanks for your help on this!
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Quote:
Were date numbers punched individually with large cents?

Through 1939 they were individually punched, in 1840 they experimented with two digit punches, 1841 on are 4 digit logotype punches.
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Thanks, Conder101 - very helpful!
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