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Fake/Counterfeit 1897 Liberty V Nickel

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 Posted 01/05/2015  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shale to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That does look pretty impressive... doesn't make sense to me either. One good fake year is worth more than a dozen bad fake years isn't it? Especially when it comes to how bad the date is.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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However, you brought up a good question, why go through all the trouble to make a common date Liberty.

Common dates usually get less scrutiny than key dates. Key dates are typically struck from a very limited number of die pairs and have identifying diagnostics that are much more well known. If it is easier for the counterfeiter to sell and in larger quantities, then it can make more sense to fake a common date over a key date.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This piece is an excellent candidate to put in my black collection. The spuriousness of the date is obvious, almost as good as having 'fake' stamped on it.

What makes it an excellent candidate for my black collection is everthing ELSE about it, and it is these characteristics that demand it to be examined very closely to educate oneself in the identification of similar suspect or fake coins.
An excellent study piece.

It is otherwise very dangerously deceptive.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "7" is so fat. Why was 6 afraid of 7?
Because 7 ate 9. (Get it?) :p
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 Posted 01/06/2015  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bungle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^ haha

There is an 1887 for sale on aliexpress, with the same comical 7.
The T on the reverse looks similar, but the pics are too small to tell for sure.

The person I got this one from, says he got it at an online auction a while ago.
Liberty nickels are rarely seen for sale in Japan...
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 Posted 01/06/2015  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese counterfeiters tend to use the computer copying to create a fake hub. They then remove the date from that hub and use it to create multiple undated dies. That hub can be used to create dies until it wears out. They then punch whatever date they desire into one of the blank dies and strike fakes from it. They have done this for years. On the bust dollars they used a coin that had some noticeable features and contact marks. The dateless hub created from that coin, the "vampire hub", has been used to create bust dollar dies of all dates from 1795 to 1804. At one time they had a commonly used hub on Seated dollars that had major damage in the top of the shield on the obv. That hub was also to create dies for almost every date in the Seated dollar series.
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