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Why would anyone make this? The date is absurdly large and there is a piece of the first T missing in STATES. Does it look cast to anyone else? But it has cartwheel luster... Weight/dimensions are the same as a real nickel.   
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 United States
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I....um....wow. That's either the biggest-separation overdate ever or the counterfeiter was drunk. Pretty good fake otherwise, just a bit soft.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Any casting seam on the edge?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 . I like it. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is a *gorgeous* counterfeit. But the date... oh the date... :-)
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United States
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Looks like he did a pretty good job in general.
Apparently though, when he took a break for lunch, his 8 year old boy did a favor for dad and finished-up by engraving the date for him.
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United States
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The scary thing is the coin looks good EXCEPT for the date. Any collector of these nickels would immediately notice the enlargement of the date. And not much of a case can be made that this is a contemporary counterfeit* of the era as the coin looks brand new. Another mystery ...
*Counterfeited to pass as a nickel during the time when these nickels were current.
Edited by matthewvincent 01/05/2015 4:14 pm
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Ed - I thought the edge might have been filed, but some normal nickels look similar. Pic of the edge: Left: 2008 Middle: This coin ("1897") Right: 1887  Some closeups: Because the way the denticles look, I thought it might be cast. Especially in the upper-left area. You can see a few die scratches/polish lines, and a die gouge near the funny looking right dot.   
Edited by bungle 01/05/2015 4:43 pm
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 United States
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You can see it easily once you start looking closely - things which ought to be sharp if other things are, aren't, and there are places where the intersection between device and field is clearly suspect.
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United States
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@bungle
Well it's agreed that it's counterfeit. However, you brought up a good question, why go through all the trouble to make a common date Liberty.
Were they just practicing up for when they make the 1885?
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United States
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Seeing the up-close pictures, this one was certainly struck, not cast. The master die was probably made from a genuine nickel via a transfer process or even CNC scanning.
The date, however, I simply cannot account for. They probably were hand-punching them or adding them on to the initial scan to make the whole series, which is much easier/lazier than scanning a coin of each year/mm. :-)
Very often they'll re-use reverse dies over multiple years for the same reason (which leads to type mismatches, but also a means to easily test if it's from the same manufacturer via die markers; this is how the infamous Micro-O Morgans got caught).
Edited by SteveCaruso 01/05/2015 5:50 pm
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 United States
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A transfer process - if so this was a good one - would explain the "just about but not quite everything" look. Thinking about it, I have to wonder if the raw dies made it into the hands of a second, less-skilled party before the "date" was applied.
There might be a fascinating story we'll never know behind this one. Wonder why we haven't seen more.
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Excellent fake less the obvious date ... the close up photos of the raised tooling marks and dots confirm all opinions of a reasonably well executed counterfeit ...
Well execute of course except for the date!
Please share how you came across this example.
David
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
Edited by nickelsearcher 01/05/2015 7:27 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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This is the new large date/drunken engraver variety :)
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United States
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No one has seen the "wacky date" variety of 1897 Liberty head nickels?  JK, of course.
Edited by DoubleEagle20 01/05/2015 11:01 pm
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United States
324 Posts |
The numbers are bad because it is made in China. They always have a problem with the numbers since their characters for numbers look so different. They have a real problem with numbers like you would with their characters.
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