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1912 $5 Gold Royal Mint Issue 1 Of The 1-St 8000 Minted

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 Posted 01/05/2015  6:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add collector67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone know of this issue from The Royal Mint.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/161427268969....m1497.l2649
Was there a number of 1912 golds sent to The Royal Mint? It appears these where issued in 2006.

Thanks for any info
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 Posted 01/05/2015  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are you talking about? What is the reference to 2006? Someone has just found a fancy box to put the coin in...This may or may not even be part of the Bank of Canada hoard.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the certificate it has a copy right of 2006 on it. I checked and David Barrass was the Deputy Master of the mint 2006.
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So someone found a fancy box and made up a certificate of authenticity. Not sure why someone would go to the trouble
to forge a Royal Mint certificate of authenticity.
What find interesting is the reference to the 8000 coin originally minted, which was the initial order for the $5 and $10 gold coins.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The RCM sells products from other mints. Why wouldn't The Royal Mint also do so?
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 Posted 01/05/2015  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My bad, I didn't see the other pics with the cert details,.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is interesting that the seller put the * with the actual mintage numbers. Though with all of the publicity around the BoC hoard release, it would be surprising that no one brought this "release" up in this forum, assuming it was actually real. At least the buyer did not pay a crazy price for the coin.

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It seems that the RCM was using The Royal Mint as a marketing agency.
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The question is still where did the UK Royal Mint get the coins from. Did the coins come from the Bank of Canada hoard.
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That's the question, and the other question is, is this coin 1 of the first 8000 minted in 1912? If so, where the coins sent in 1912 to The Royal Mint for some sort of quality control or approval and then a small hoard sat until 2006, these where released 6 years prior to the bank of Canada Hoard release.
David Barrass was brought in to turn The Royal Mint into a money making venture which he did in 20 months that's how long he was CEO Deputy Master starting in 2006
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 Posted 01/08/2015  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received the coin nothing spectacular obverse is baggy, reverse is really nice. I have sent an email to Royal Mint I'll see if I get a response. With the exchange paid a little too much, but interested in the history of this issue and how it came about.
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I tried researching
a gold sale by Canada
in 2006
I think as an act
of Parliament
the mint(?) sold $600,000.00
of gold to whom I do not know
seems likely though that
it may have been some gold
coinage though
with all due respect
collector67.what do you think of
the grade
regards
regards
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Charlton lists the mintage for 1912 as 165,680, so I wonder what the 8,000 number has to do with. Their asterisk says 165,680 is the total for 1912-1914 but Charlton says 98,832 for 1913 and 31,122 for 1914. Odd that their "certificate of authenticity" is so dubious.
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I think it meant 165,680 was the mintage for 1912, but they were released/sent to banks between 1912 and 1914. It is a bit weird and I am not really sure what to make of the claim of the first 8,000.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectorofthings to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very suspicious..... run..
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torgemco- The coin might make MS62 but like I said it is baggy on the obverse it's comparable to the BoC Hoard release coins
Collectorof things - why run the coin is a genuine $5 gold which I paid close to bullion.

The only thing I can think of with the mention of the 1st 8000, is the initial order in 1912 for the $5 and $10 gold coins was 8000 of each coin.
So was it possible that the Canadian mint had to send examples to The Royal Mint for inspection for quality etc.

The COA looks legit, I have emailed The Royal Mint asking for information hopefully they respond.
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