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Advice On Gold Indian Heads

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Continuing to learn about these coins I have inherited. I have a fair few indian heads, but in basement slabs. Plan to get them graded by PCGS. Are fakes highly prevalent with these series? Will post a few pic examples. Thanks for any advice.

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Any coin with 3-figure or more catalog value are subject to counterfeiting.
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When you add in slabbers like these two you can easily end up cleaned and mis-graded coins.

Bite the bullet and submit them; get the agony over.
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Yes there are fakes in the series, and I've never heard of these slabbing companies. The MS states claimed are pretty aggressive, but if they stand up these common date coins are worth a lot. By all means submit them to NGC or PCGS.

http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfei...mple-Returns

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You can assume at best that these coins might be Mint State. They're more likely circulated, cleaned or damaged and possibly counterfeit. Best probability is they're cracked from legitimate "problem" slabs. The only SGS slab I've ever bought was a "MS65" 1878-S Morgan I estimated at AU53 in hand.

That 1910-S is a $100k coin in 66. Not happening. I sincerely hope you paid no more than melt for these, because they're both common in lower grades.
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More "McSlabs"
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Thank you for input. Will send to PCGS and let's see
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I've never had basement slabbed coins.

My question for all the experts here would be: do you crack these out before sending them to PCGS? Would keeping them in the crap slabs bias the legitimate graders?
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Always crack out basement slabs. The basement slab may trigger the TPG to think it's a problem coin.
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The '32 is probably genuine, but most likely cleaned or at best, lower-mint state. The 1910-S coin is a definitely not a '66 either, and that one would cause me the most concern for an added mintmark, or other mischief. If you submit to PCGS or NGC, definitely recommend cracking them out of their current slabs.

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Quote:
Any coin with 3-figure or more catalog value are subject to counterfeiting.


Where that once was the case, remember...

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Just be diligent. :-)
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most likely real gold, however, both slabbers are scammers.. they usually slab their own coins only to resell them to unsuspecting buyers.
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US Gold coins have been widely counterfeited for a very long time. The older fakes at least have some gold content (they were made from melted jewelry) - I have a pair of "US Gold Dollars" that my Grandfather bought on 47th St that came from the well known Lebanese fakes of the 70s.
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