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 Posted 01/18/2015  4:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shtudentt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hey guys,question for all,anybody know ,what is population for 1970-s small date(business and proof strike) thank you
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 Posted 01/18/2015  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think there is anything known for sure as to numbers.
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 Posted 01/18/2015  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scurry64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a couple of days ago I read that the population of small dates and large dates was essentially equal. I can't find the website now. I don't believe they are equal. I don't claim to have accurate numbers, but I suspect you're 50 times more likely to find a large date.
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 Posted 01/18/2015  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Considering the majority of SDs come from mint sets, I'd say that the numbers heavily favor LD.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You maybe thinking of the 1974 large and small dates. The 1970-S Small dates are a lot less than the large dates.
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Here is a quote from and link to the information regarding population I eluded to in my earlier post. It does not say the populations are equal. It says both are common. I don't know who the author is and I don't support his opinion. I'm merely sharing what I found.

Quote:
1970-S Cents are found with either a Small Date or a Large Date. Both varieties are common, but collectors like to have one of each.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/2935
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I hear you scurry. By Wexler's account I should have a few 1988 RDV006. I haven't any. In speaking with the folks at the LCS the numbers around the populations for any variety are contingent on a number of factors. Most are unknown and unknowable. For example if a press ran for a few hours before a quality check detected an issue how many coins might be affected? What if the operator knew the 'odd' die was in as he was under orders to use it? By what I've read, WAMs and CAMs were mistakes that went undetected for a period. If we could define that period and the number of occurrences the wrong pairings were used then we might generate a plausible estimate. True of the 1970S SD if the die were supposed to be used for mint sets. Until such time as the additional information is know and these numbers can be made available we seem to left with annecdotal evidence that relative to geographical location can be heavily skewed.
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The sure thing is that the price difference shows there isn't as many small dates as the large dates. Chuck Daughtrey said after going through over 1 million cents, he never found one in circulation. He has found them in OBW rolls, but none in circulation. So if they were 50/50% they should be a common as the 1960-D large and small dates. But the numbers found are not out there. Here is a price guide for the two large and small date 1970-S
http://www.pcgs.com/prices/pricegui...ent+(modern)
They are not 50/50% to be this different in pricing.


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 Posted 01/19/2015  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clbchiro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there a different value based on it being a proof vs mint set coin?
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Yes. For PF65 and higher, the value is higher than MS condition.
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Scurry is probably right but for some years a high grade MS coin will out fetch a proof. Not sure for an MS 1970S SD.

Coop's point we'll taken: the 30-40x mark-up seems to suggest a significantly smaller population. A million coins and no 1970S SD from the wild Is eye popping.
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 Posted 01/20/2015  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shtudentt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you for all,it was very helpfull
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