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Canada
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47P7.....
re; your statement about a dipped coin.
First of all, dipping is not cleaning.
Cleaning always leaves evidence on the coin.
Dipping (if done only once) 95% of the time NEVER leaves any indication on the coin.
In this case however, this coin has been most likely repeatedly dipped, resulting in the 'look' of the coin that clearly speaks to the experienced eye that this coin has seen a few too many 'baths' in its time.
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Dipping (if done only once) 95% of the time NEVER leaves any indication on the coin. On mintstate coins, provided that the dip was done and rinsed properly, I'd agree with this. But on AU~55 and below coins, I've very rarely had any turn out well. The circulation marks always end up sticking out like sore thumbs. The fields also usually end up having a weird dark grey sheen to them, as in the OP's coin. |
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With this coin being obviously over dipped I am surprised that it got 45 on the holder. For an ICCS 55 grade you need lots of original surfaces ie lustre.. The OP coin not only looks over dipped but was also a candidate for the baking soda treatment. Coin is washed out with NO eye appeal thus the assigned grade. NGC and PCGS would have called this AU details Cleaned. Just my opinion.
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Canada
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Yes, something just doesn't seem natural the way the luster appears especially in the context of wear in the high points. Just another in a long list of examples of buying a raw coin that appears nice but has been doctored by some dealer and yet another reason to buy TPG coins. No matter how much huffing and puffing dealers get about TPG, they are just too many examples like this to pay these dealers any heed. |
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Canada
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Pokermandue...yes, you are absolutely right.
I forget sometimes to mention this, as I try to collect/buy/sell mostly MS coins.
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I say that the pictures were taken through 2x plastic! and that will / should stop anyone from making such a statement unless you are absolutely sure I was absolutely sure... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Canada
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Ok guys, sometime in the near future we shall do some kind of a test.
will be interesting, maybe in the form of images and a following Poll.
we shall see how you all do then.
Have to think about it.
are you all ok with that?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Send it back to them. You should be able to get it regraded for no extra fee, and possibly with an apology attached. I prefer to grade all of my own coins, and keep them in 2x2's. I am never dissapointed with my own grades! If I wish to sell any of them, the buyer can check them in hand for himself, and we agree on a price. I buy coins in the same way. TPG works best for ebay selling. |
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Quote:" and yet another reason to buy TPG coins. "
To dis quote I add maybe a reason not to get fool by the coin which be grade for by so call professionall
Many times are big mistake that cost all of us some money like in this pictured of ICCS call that coin a ms63!!
How many of you give dis more than EF45 at thes best with that rub down surfaces?
I cannot think of excsuse for a poor job like this what even a rookie could do better than that no its not very right!
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Canada
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It's not a rub down. Just a very weak strike. Not usually seen on coppers but very common on 1922-36 Nickels.  to CCF. Edited by wireman09
02/12/2015 6:16 pm
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I think I wud not agree with that statement but anyway even if it did so from that reason it is still not right no?
Charlton guy he said that the ms63 coin it will have " no traces of ware " and that when " the band an jewel have lost round contours and they are flattened " well then it is for sure only ef40 grades.
I asking you that if you bought this one here an it come like that if you would be happy youo paid it for the ms63 huh?
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Taiwan
606 Posts |
A coin can and will be graded as unc. if
the luster is there.Remember luster trumps
other attributes when determining an unc.
coin. Do not confuse price with grade. All
63's are not equal as this example clearly
demonstrates.
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I say that the pictures were taken through 2x plastic! and that will / should stop anyone from making such a statement unless you are absolutely sure.
IF you guys are so sure, please, please let us know why and your reasons.
Just to say it is dipped, is not a real good and convincing answer. Is it now?.
Maybe I will do a test soon with you and see how many of you will recognize a dipped coin through 2x plastic. I have seen this happen many times now and have kept my cool about it but I feel like it needs to mentioned. Why is it, that everytime, someone has a conflicting opinion with you, that you feel the need to verbally attack them? You've done it many times, especially when people have disagreed with you regarding the grade on coins. I'm not looking to pick a fight here but please understand that this is a forum dedicated to learning and because of the subjective nature of coins and con grading, there is likely to be a conflict of opinions. However, as long as we keep our arguments civil we'll continue to work effectively to promote a learning environment which I feel is the goal of CCF. -zx Edited by zxcccxz
02/13/2015 12:53 am
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Australia
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First of all, dipping is not cleaning.
it most certainly IS |
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