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 Posted 09/23/2007  09:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add daveyn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been reading as much as I could find on the web about grading Australian pennies. I know most of the grading services here in the US will not grade a cleaned coin. I know in the original US grading standards there were deductions in grade for cleaning.
How is this looked at in Australia as far as grading is concerned, I know some people will not own a cleaned coin, but others will note the cleaning and grade accordingly. I just received a few Pennies bought on ebay, unfortunately it appears all have been soaked in water, or acetone. The open areas are clean, while all around the edge (Legend) and devices you can still see some cloudiness. I guess these become non-coins and should be discarded, you do get what you pay for. I think I will stick with the local dealers here, where I can see the coin before the purchase. I have made an acquaintance with an Australian dealer here on the forum that I feel quite comfortable with, hope to purchase some decent coins from him.

I will stop my rant for now, thanks for listening.
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09/23/2007 09:04 am
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 Posted 09/23/2007  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ask for a refund from the ebay seller?
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 Posted 09/23/2007  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maya to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure if I would discard the coins you received just yet.
Are these coins circulated?
Are they bronze?

And finally the forever debated question:
What constitutes cleaning?
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 Posted 09/25/2007  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You will find most coins in lower grades have been cleaned in one way or another. They don't get so worn without getting dirty.
Most of the time it will be just a soak in warm soapy water to get dirt out from the letters and a rinse in distilled water afterwards. Some will also put olive oil on the copper coins afterwards.
Myself I don't class this as cleaning in a bad way, it's more preserving the coins than anything else.
You would find alot of the times if this wasn't done the coins would have or would in the future get signs of verdigris.
When you say cloudiness around the Legend this sounds like a much harsher cleaning process than the above has been used. Acetone or water doesn't do that unless the coin has been rubbed rather hard with some sort of cleaning cloth or something similar. It could also be a case of artificially toned polished coins?
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 Posted 09/25/2007  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add b_j_w_79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regardless of whether the coins have been cleaned or not I wouldn't discard them. They will still have some value even if it is reduced. I agree with secretsquirrel though it does sound like they have been cleaned in a harsher fashion than would be preferred. Good luck with your next purchase.
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 Posted 09/27/2007  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daveyn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello all,
and thanks for the reply. I guess I got a little carried away in my description. The coins appear to be cleaned in water, the cleaning is not really that harsh.

http://www.noblecoins.org/auspenny1918001B.jpg

http://www.noblecoins.org/auspenny1917015B.jpg

not the highest grade but still nice coins, I will get them all scanned and out into my collection, hope to start finding some nice uncirculated coins soon.
This one was a very nice coin, it appears to be a nice unc.
http://www.noblecoins.org/aust1948pennyB.jpg

I will get this grading down pat pretty soon.

Thanks for looking,
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 Posted 09/28/2007  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi daveyn,

You need to find a dealer that you can trust, and who has a good return policy. Some dealers that I have bought from in the past are:

http://www.newcastlecoins.com.au/
http://www.emuauctions.com/
http://www.aussiecoinerrors.net/shop/
http://oldcoin.com.au/

Not only have I bought coins from these sellers, but I also trust them. I recommend having a look at their web sites.

Snooba.
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 Posted 09/28/2007  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daveyn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Snooba,
I have just purchased a book from Newcastlecoin,
Shane went out of his way to give me a little help, much appreciated.
I will check out the others, thanks for the info.


Later,


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