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1882 IHC Double Die? Machine Double?

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Sorry but I'm addicted and I do try to research before I ask questions. I do however like a second opinion and I'm getting better with the flashlight/phone/magnifying glass combo I am using to take pictures. Lol tell me what you think

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

1882-IHC-Double-Die?-Machine-Double?

I know it has some damage but what can I do right

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I'm no expert on IHCs, but the one on the "M" of America looks like Longacre's doubling. Not sure about the rest.
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I thought longacre doubling was all around the letter or number not just one side . Or in my coin two sides:\ idk when I look at the pictures of course everything is less prominent. But the second t in states has what I think is separation. And then the M you speak of the bottom right looks to be separating or starting to. I try to get the best pictures I can but I am stretching what my phone can do
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Aside known DDO's for this date (outside my expertise) what I'm seeing could be either MD or Longacre Doubling (LD). You're correct in assuming LD should be seen all around the letter; your last image seems to show the doubling on one side of the A and the opposite side of the T which leans the observer that way. The rest of the doubling resembles MD.

So, I've just typed a whole paragraph with no conclusion.
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looks like Machine Doubling

there no known doubled dies for this date
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Lol ssuper ddave all efforts are welcome everything helps. And beagle I was wondering about that but my resources are still limited as I'm new to varieties not always sure wish websites have full listings of varieties . I was trying to imagine the coin slipping a bit or something to get Machine Doubling , but I'm still not sure just cause the age and life of this coin it's hard to see and of course I'm not going to clean it.
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The uneven edges of the doubled areas shows that it is either MD or LD. Personally, I'd lean more to LD.
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MD
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Flat and shelf-like = MD
The 1887 DDO is the one you want to look out for; easy to see even without a loupe.
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Longacre doubling is said to appear all around the letter and it does IN THE NEW UNPOLISHED DIE. But when the die is basined for production some or all of the doubling around the tellers can be removed. Also as a die is used and wears the doubling fades but may not disappear evenly. So you will often NOT see it all the way around a letter. But if you see doubling on both sides of a letter or doubled in one direction on some letters and in a different direction on others you are almost certainly looking at Longacre doubling.
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Ok I see thank you all
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