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Pillar of the Community
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MD. I agree with you on that statement, that if that's how they grade one metal, then that's how they should do it across the board, but as a collector of Canadian who lives in the U.S., there a few things I strongly disagree with in regards to the differences in grading between U.S. and Canadian TPGs... As I stated in another thread, I actually prefer a beautiful brown coin over a spotty or uneven red or red brown, but I know that I'm in the minority there...
SHAFTA, the coin's obverse is actually like a deep blueish brown, and the reverse is strong chocolate brown with some redish tones, I certainly think it is deserving of a brown grade...
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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I agree, full blown in one color prevails, although there are times when mixtures of color are nice eye candy depending on the placement of the coin. I have a 1923 one cent flawless and red and it's beautiful to the eye. Many other years of red as well but don't look as nice as the 23. I guess the portrait somehow decides if it looks good in a certain color.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I am all for technical grading consistency and is one of the reasons why I prefer the US TPG grading methodology. But that's only my personal opinion and one that many avid Canadian collectors will disagree with. ICCS does not penalize toning on silver (actually the opposite). There are many MS65 heavily toned Canadian coins out there. Not sure why we would put those limits on copper. |
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Canada
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Paul, you are in contact with ICCS often, could you pose the question of why to them, I would do that but I have no contacts there.
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 Canada
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"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1049 Posts |
that's a beaut SPP.
I am having a hard time getting my mind past the fact that a mint coin is a mint coin, red, brown or combo package. Let's not forget that a red coin is not the true color of copper. Nor is a brown coin the true color of copper. I guess it all falls on the hands of the collector who ultimately decides the fate of coin grades is it, when color is involved?! I would really like to know the absolute true reason why ICCS for eg; grades this way. Why not uniform? Perhaps supply and demand is at work here?
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02/06/2015 11:59 pm
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Canada
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I have given up on getting beautifully toned bronze coins graded by ICCS.... They simply have a bias, which is hypocritical of their "technical grading"... yet, they call coins "Red" that are nowhere near deserving of that comment.  Here is another example of mine (originally in an ICCS MS-62 Lustrous Brown flip) : http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29323545/"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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very nice, I see u have a fondness for the newf too, same here, I have some beaut newf cents I'd love to get cert but almost fearful to do it based on a TPG outcome. Knowing they would score much higher with a non-cdn-TPG. Thanks for sharing more of your coins SPP. Cheers. |
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Quote:I have some beaut newf cents I'd love to get cert but almost fearful to do it based on a TPG outcome. That depends on the TPG... if they are problem-free, then I would highly recommend PCGS for bronze coins. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Forum Kid
Canada
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I believe a coin that is MS-65 can be brown. However the average collecting group would want a MS-65 with mostly red, so a brown would have little less value, because of general eye appeal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1949 Posts |
Beautiful 1924 SPP! I also have a NFLD small cent that I bought in an ICCS holder at a 62 that ended up PCGS 64 BN...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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SPP, with PCGS how do they work on pricing, is there a volume discount, let's say one vs 8 submitted for eg;
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No volume discount even if you submitting 1 vs. 100
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Pillar of the Community
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I am with mern here! I am not much of a large cent guy, love small cents though! I actively pursue any LARGE CENT that has fully lustrous. Brown surfaces with nice colourful toning. you get some incredible pieces and to the right guy awesome money.There are collectors who just love these type of coins. the neat thing is they will not turn like a full red.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Here's an example of one of the many I have that deserve slabbing. In a conversation outside the forum a member well versed in large cent's suggested MS64+ on this coin. However, he stated it would never get it's deserved grade with a CDN TPG. I looked this coin over with a 10x loupe and found 3 slight contact marks, there is no evidence of circulation on the coin at all. So I may be sending some coins off to PCGS as it's looking lol. Thanks to everyone for all the replies this has been a good learning curve. Cheers.  |
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