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Thanks to everyone for their replies to my thread in the grading section ! I didn't create the thread to fool anyone but I needed to see what folks thought about my cleaned and re-toned coin. This large cent came off ebay and it was horribly cleaned, a bright copper penny color. A gaudy red...  ...but I like buying cheap stuff and messing with them. I had seen this stuff called Best Coin Toner and just had to try it out. I'll be danged if it isn't lol. Really strange stuff how it can instantly turn a coin dark. I had at times come across this same color and had always wondered, now I know what a copper coin that has been treated with this stuff looks like. I had met an old coin dealer 4-5 years ago on ebay and before I bid on his coin I sent him a message asking if it had been cleaned. He came unglued at my asking him. I told him I was sick and tired of getting cleaned coins. We both calmed down and he told me I really needed to do myself a favor and go out and buy all the different darkening agents, cleaners, and all the other methods for cleaning you read about. Then you will be able to spot the cleaned and re-toned from a mile away. He was right and I quit getting ripped off lol. I wish I had taken before pics but you know what bright red toothpaste rubbed copper looks like lol...  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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02/12/2015 9:40 pm
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Photoshop manipulated color...  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Herein lies one of the problems with buying coins online. Many times through digital photography or outright photoshopping many can be fooled or at least persuaded to purchase coins that aren't what they seem. Many times once the coin is in hand it is more obvious to tell that it has been retoned sometimes not. Noted numismatist and EAC guru John Ford once opined "I consider any coin cleaned that looks cleaned. Anything else is "restoration".
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Wow Raymo, I'm surprised the other thread has got more replies than this one.
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02/13/2015 2:08 pm
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I wish you had taken before pics, too! If you ever do it again, sure would like to see...
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52Raymo- I have to agree (at least so far in my experience) about experimenting with techniques and then being able to recognize them. I read here about toning coins with an egg. I tried it on a junk specimen and now I see that same toning pattern (not good by the way) fairly frequently on ebay. I think trying this stuff out is a good way to educate oneself. |
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Wow Raymo, I'm surprised the other thread has got more replies than this one. It's been kinda slow around here. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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I wish you had taken before pics, too! If you ever do it again, sure would like to see... Let me see what I can find to mess with... stripped...  after re-toning...  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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02/13/2015 5:20 pm
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I decided to stay out of that thread Raymo, because I didn't want to insult your coin. Lol.
I had a feeling that either something was very wrong with your photography, or that something was wrong with the surface of your coin. My thoughts were vf20 with serious surface problems from cleaning and retoning, but others kept giving it nice grades. I was kind of surprised by that.
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One problem with large cents is that they've all been cleaned and retoned at some time in their lifetime. Cleaning, polishing, waxing and lacquering were all acceptable in the 1850s to 1890s. When I quoted John Ford in an earlier reply, I did so because he's spot on. Does a coin look cleaned? Even if it does can I get it for a good price and live with the end product. That's what we need to ask ourselves. The TPGs are a little too loose with terms like "cleaned" and "environmental damage" when it comes to 160 year old pieces of copper or silver. They don't seem to mind if a coin has been dipped one to many times but take a hard line on a large or Half Cent that has been retoned. It all comes down to what I find acceptable in MY collection. |
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I decided to stay out of that thread Raymo, because I didn't want to insult your coin. Lol.
I had a feeling that either something was very wrong with your photography, or that something was wrong with the surface of your coin. My thoughts were vf20 with serious surface problems from cleaning and retoning, but others kept giving it nice grades. I was kind of surprised by that. Too late brocephus, no can do the I wouldda couldda game lol. You know you were wantin it bad...  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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