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Help Needed - Victory Advancing Left Holding Trophy & Dragging Captive

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Evening folks
This coin should have been done by now but for some strange reason I cant find a match, a fairly common type with an unusual reverse.
Reverse - Victory Advancing Left Holding Trophy & Dragging Captive. Cross in Circle in left field. SM? mintmark.
Tiny thing, 1.01g.
The symbol of a cross within a circle on the reverse is listed as being 1 of 4 names,
Theodosius,Valentinianus ii,Arcadius or Honorius.
Due to the legend being unreadable I have tentatively attributed it as Valentinianus ii.

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99% of the examples I have found have the " chi rho " symbol in the left field and none have the cross in a circle, the captive also is different to the others I have found due to his hands being free and in full stride pose.
He isn't bound so does that still make him a captive ?
Any help appreciated
TIA

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Well this is one of those reverse types that don't show up very often, I've only seen one or two before the the cross enclosed in a circle. I believe your coin is Arcadius with the reverse of SALVS REIPVBLICAE, mint mark SMN? for Nicomedia RIC IX 45c.7
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'tenbobbit' there might be enough of the legend to nail it down to a specific emperor.
But that would certainly need better pictures.
We don't do hand-readings here, just close ups of the coin will do.
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I've enhanced the image a bit.

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That's enough of the cockiness Med I saw the cricket result we are bad. Maybe I should come out of retirement
Thanks Echi, off to try and get some better pics of the coin not fingers, told off twice in the same post !
Surely the coin was worth an error or two
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Thanks 'echizento' but may need a new picture with good contrast setting to be sure.
Anyhow there seems to be an N at 01:30 and the ones around could read "...IANVSPFAV...", so most likely Valentinian II.

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Better not, if you field at square leg England might have a chance.
Btw, when you apply for Australian citizenship you are told that the Barmy Army is enemy number one and that sledging is compulsory.
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I could be wrong but I don't know of or can find any examples either in AE3 or AE4 of Valentinian II having the Cross in the circle.
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I blew up your obverse pic. Clearly an "N" at 1 o'clock which makes Valentinian II the only possibility.

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I tried,


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That's about as good as I am going to get unfortunately, maybe natural will improve it slightly but that will have to wait till later.
Thanks for your efforts so far Echizento, the longer I stare at it through the loupe the more I see IANUS from 12-2.
Still not sure though.
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Seems even the start of the legend might be legible. Do you have a multi-function printer. Scanning can provide very good pictures - on some scan I could read characters which I couldn't detect with a loupe.
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My lack of skills on the pc are hilarious, picture taking is no better.
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 Posted 02/14/2015  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the N in the legend that would make it Valentinian II.
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good job BD, I wouldn't have figured it out.

that little cross in a circle on the reverse is cool, I haven't seen one of those.
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Where would you rate it Echizento ?
Scarce or Rare ?
Its nice to have a couple of rarer types in my collection already.
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Would have to come up with a RIC number, but I would call it uncommon at least.
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Nicodemia RIC IX 45a rated scarce, however the only examples I can find so far have just the chi-rho without the circle (same RIC # either way). I would imagine w/circle might be a bit harder to find
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