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Pre 1965 Silver Content = .7234 Question

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So I was thinking today about how 10 dimes=.7234 oz of silver, 4 quarters=.7234 oz, 2 half dollars=.7234, but a silver dollar is .7734 oz. I have a couple questions. Why isn't a silver dollar .7234 oz as well?

This question is probably more for the old timers here. Before they removed silver from our coins in 1965 did people hoard their silver dollars and spend their silver dimes, quarters, and halves?
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The statutory content of a standard dollar of silver is 371.25 grains of 99.9% fine silver (0.7734 troy ounce, 24.0577), per the Coinage Act of of 2 April 1792, Statutes at Large, I 246. The value given under "Circulayed or Junk Coin" is for circulated dollars at 0.765t.oz each.

Of course, the statutory content of dimes, quarters, and halves was changed to 0.7234 troy ounce of 99.9% fine silver per dollar, per the Act to Devalue the Subsidiary Silver Coinage of 21 February 1853, Statutes at Large, X, 160 (as amended by Act of 12 February 1873 XVII, Stat.424). The value given under "The Circulated or Junk Coin" is for circulated coin at 715 t. oz. per $1000.00 face value bag. They are 90% silver by weight.

So, there you have it. US law. Why the values were initially set different, probably seigniorage.

Before 1965, most folks used silver certificates, FRN's, and legal tender notes. Silver dollars could be received for redeeming a silver certificate, but most didn't do that...which is why when silver dollars were declared to no longer be redeemable in silver dollars on 25 March 1964, there were tons of them non-redeemed, which led to the Carson City Morgan GSA sales and (probably) tons sent to the melting pot.

<--- The total number of silver dollars saved from before 1965 by my family totaled 3 (a 1904 Morgan, a 1921 Morgan, and a 1922 Peace). Two of them were received as souvenirs from a trip out west taken in the 1930's, and the third no one remembers, it was just "there". Several dozen silver certificates were saved, as well as a large number of 40% halves, but not many silver dimes or quarters. It's unfortunate. But people just didn't have tons of extra cash back in those days. A nickel was still worth something in the 60's.
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Very, very informative! Thanks! I actually found one of these silver certificates in my wallet about a year ago. Of course, I kept it.

I have a follow-up question. Was there a fee to redeem your certificates for silver dollars? Maybe it's just historical hindsight, but it would seem that you would want the more valuable money if the 'exchange rate' is even.

A nickel still has (some) value. Its one of the few coins not made of zinc. I use cash for most of my purchases. I save all my nickels and copper pennies (pre-1982). Am I wasting my time (and jars) ?
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As a child of the '60's, I don't remember my parents saving or hoarding silver coin, not many folks did, they just didn't care...similar to today. Most people are absolutely clueless when it comes to the composition of money, past or present.

I do remember a buddy back in the early 70's who's mother produced a fruit jar full of Mercury dimes.

My grandparents, rest their souls, knew the value of silver and gold, my grandma saved the silver coin that came across the counter at the P.O. where she worked, and passed them on to me. She retired in the late '70's.
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I have a follow-up question. Was there a fee to redeem your certificates for silver dollars? Maybe it's just historical hindsight, but it would seem that you would want the more valuable money if the 'exchange rate' is even.

A nickel still has (some) value. Its one of the few coins not made of zinc. I use cash for most of my purchases. I save all my nickels and copper pennies (pre-1982). Am I wasting my time (and jars) ?

There was no fee to redeem paper for silver (or gold, for that matter, before 1933). Although the exact verbiage changed, the latter-issued silver certificates (one dollar) bore the clause "THIS CERTIFIES THAT THERE HAS BEEN DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ONE SILVER DOLLAR PAYABLE TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND", a 1928 $50 gold certificate bore "THIS CERTIFIES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FIFTY DOLLARS IN GOLD COIN PAYABLE TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND", and older Federal Reserve Notes bore "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, AND IS REDEEMABLE IN LAWFUL MONEY AT THE UNITED STATES TREASURY, OR AT ANY FEDERAL RESERVE BANK"

You could take your notes to the Treasury, or a Federal Reserve Bank, or to the Bank of Issue (for National Bank Notes, which I didn't include above), the specific place depending on the clause, and they were obligated by law to redeem the full face value for you. No fees.

As to a nickel: a nickel today has very little purchasing power as compared to 50 years ago. Just several could get you a gallon of gas. One could get you five penny candies. Today, even with the value of the metallic content, a nickel is only worth 6-7 cents. Nowhere close to what it was back them. Saving them is like saving copper cents, perfectly fine if you have the spare cash, and not really all that risky unless the US demonetizes cents or nickels (provided they don't, your coins will always be worth at least face, even if the metallic value never rises as some people hope it will.
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Thanks Groszy! Of course War Nickels have higher melt values. My local coin store (well not mine, but the one I visit) sells them at melt price. The coin dealer there said that they have a hard time finding people to buy those. I bought some, because I like having different silver coins to tell people about. I was wondering what your thoughts are on the War Nickels.

PS. A gallon of gas still only cost a few War Nickels. haha
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my grandma saved the silver coin that came across the counter at the P.O. where she worked


Mother worked at a grocery in the late 60s; she would swap out for Franklin halves that she received. Remember when my father was taking a trip out west (mid 60s) and asked what I wanted -- I said a silver dollar. He said no problem, he can get one in change. Boy was he surprised when he came back.
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I wish I was interested in coins back when I was bank teller. Even though we had machines to count the very large quantity of change, I still touched lots of coins everyday.
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