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1652 Pine Tree Shilling Noe 29

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Hey guys this is my first post. I was told by a good buddy that there's some very smart coin lovers on here. I live in Midcoast Maine and started detecting last year. In November I dug my holy grail. A 1652 Pine Tree Shilling. About 4' away I dug a 1664 Potosi mint cob. I'd really like to get some opinions of details grades on a few of my coins. Yes I know they're dug and inevitably environmentally damaged. I really appreciate the help guys. Happy to have found this forum as I've become a colonial coin lover. Here the tree coin


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No knowledge of these coins, but wow. Congrats and welcome to the forum.
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Maybe it would get a details grade from the hole. It would either get au50 or au details. You might get xf details though too. Hard to grade these things!
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Noe-29. "Usually well struck" - Bowers. XF Details. Eye appeal is excellent. Great find!
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Even with the hole it's worth a considerable amount.
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Looks like you hit the jackpot. Congats
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By "Noe-29" of course that is Sydney P. Noe who worked at the American Numismatic Society in New York for many years and who wrote an identification guide by looking at all the die types of Massachusetts silver. NOE-29 is a small Pine Tree Shilling minted in the last seven years of John Hull's contract with the Colony of Massachusetts Bay. These were originally called "Bay shillings." Yours was minted between 1675 and 1682. John Hull passed away the next year. Noe-29 is distinguished by the letter "D" in England having been cut in the die backwards and then corrected. Yours shows this clearly and is a nice example. The hole hurts it in value but not as much as on a common coin. Breen notes two dies states as evidenced by the top of the tree. Will need to look into that.

Please show us the cob you found with this shilling if you don't mind. There are both common and rare cobs too.
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Guys I really appreciate all of the info on this coin. I just posted the 1664 Cob as well. It's not nearly as nice as the tree coin but it made for one heck of a spill. Thanks again
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Sorry this took a while to click with me. Oddly enough your Noe-29 Small Pine Tree Shilling is the second one I've seen come from the ground. Take a look at this other one, not as nice as yours with regard to wear, but still I'm sure they must be fun to dig. In your thread about the 1802 large cent (a very nice find) you said more Spanish silver has been unearthed up your way. I'd love to see any whole, holed, or sharp (cut) foreign coins. I'll try to ID in place and time the origin of any silver slivers you may wish to share.

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Pistareen I will post a few up for you to see. Thanks for the interest
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Ahab, where on the Mid-coast do you live? I lived in Stockton Springs for a couple years.
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Probably carried as a charm or medalet. Yeah, the hole hurts the value but still a righteous 4 figure coin.
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Thundercoin I live in Topsham right next to Brunswick. I have spent a lot of time in Searsport as my aunt and uncle lived there. My uncle still has a dental lab in Searsport but lives in Belfast now.
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Another amazing find, and I agree in about extremely fine condition.
As amida17 mentioned, Noe-29 is described in the Bowers Encyclopedia as usually well struck. The rarity rating for the issue is URS-10, meaning that 250-499 pieces are estimated extant.
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Didn't mean to hijack Ahab's thread, but was wanting to get in touch with Pistareen and didn't know how to make contact other than by making another post here. You had mentioned in this thread that you were interested in seeing more dug Spanish silver coins. I live in SE Virginia and have dug 176 colonial silver coins over the last 15 years including the Lord Baltimore sixpence shown in my avatar, and would be willing to share some pics of those if you're interested. You can contact me by email ..... thanks!
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Weatherman6, I hope you'll understand why we deliberately limit the ability of new members to independently contact others off-forum. Your Forum Email privileges will not take effect for a while yet.

With that said, we will happily bend these rules in the right circumstance. With your permission, I will provide Pistareen with your registration email (I've seen enough of him to know you two share a passion) and you can get in touch. However, we would really prefer that exchanges of actual numismatic information take place within the Forum so other members can benefit from it. This is the second main reason for making off-Forum communication less accessible.
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