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Hello All I am going over my 7 morgans one at a time. I cannot find the correct vam/vams for my 1878-S It is MS-63 PL/DMPL so pretty easy to read. Broken r arm (trust),(Pluribus)"B" doubling at outside of upper B (right) and inside of lower B (right) Small raised dot at end of bottom B (left side) These are the ones I have found so far. Still looking at coin for more symptoms. Cannot match above with just one VAM. Any help would be appreciated. I am still working on good closeup pics. but above details are accurate and easily seen with a 10x loupe. I visited Vamworld site but there are a whole page of vams just for this one date. Hard to piece it together. I know there are errors as a normal 1878-S die is nowhere near mine. I don't know if that is good or bad ? |
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Forgot to add, pluribus B also very thin line (bottom of B) and doubling at inside left of lower B
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is the part thats broken on the "R" completely gone or can you still see where it is supposed to be? The reason I ask is because a VAM-19 has the "R" completely broken off and a VAM-36 has a broken "R" but you can still see where the tip of the "R" is supposed to be
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Here are some pictures showing what I was trying to describe. These are from the 1878-S attribution Guide VAM-19 VAM-36 I want to add that both the VAM-19 and VAM-36 are both Scarce varieties and both have a 5 star rating in the attribution guide for interestEdited by Bryan1315
10/08/2007 08:01 am
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Hi Bryan Thank's for replying. Matches the 36 but even less distinct. Not quite all gone. I found a few descriptions but they seem to have to match up with other coin discrepencies to be a certain VAM. Mine did not meet all the requirements. Odd, had the R plus the doubling. Is that attrition guide the VAM "the" bible ? here is the site I went to : http://www.vamworld.com/1921-P%20VAM-40AIf you search the morgans etc. you can see why I am confused. |
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Pics. are not great. (working on it:) R arm open at top, hollow in middle, diminished on bottom. B in plur. (see desc.) Much clearer through loupe. Image:  morgan1.jpg15.65 KB Image: morgan2.jpg19.15 KB |
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this is the page you need to be looking at http://www.vamworld.com/1878-S+VAMs because it may show characteristics with other other date VAM's but you have to match the date and mint mark with the specific attributes your coin shows. You need to look at the "short nock" section because there are no known MS long nock's so chances of finding a MS-63PL or DMPL is a million to one and if you did you could name your own price just about for it The book I am using is the "1878-S Morgan dollar Attribution Guide" by Leroy Van Allen and Craig Lickenbrock. Another thing about VAMworld is that it is maintained by the users so anyone can upload photo's of a specific VAM if they want so just because they don't show a picture of a specific thing you are seeing doesn't really matter, you have to read the descriptions of the coins attributes and then see if it matches what pictures are provided and the description provided of that specific VAMEdited by Bryan1315
10/08/2007 12:04 pm
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Thank's I'll go back to that site. That is where I went before, and they even show that a #36 is not even what I was asking about. That is why I was confused. Your book states one # and their site states another one for the same issue. you can probably understand my confusion. Mine is not a long nock. I just cannot find the combination of the R and the double B ? Cannot even find a VAM for the double B. Closest was RIB only (all doubled) Well, a lot to learn about these VAM's I also posted a question to which grading co. (if I decide to use one) to send off too. I read ANACS was the best for overall as far as VAMS/Errors. Is this true ? Or is PCGS or NGC O.K. (as far as value to the coin overall). |
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Here is the attributions for the VAM-48 from the book:
Obverse II 1- Slight doubling of B in PLURIBUS at bottom, edge of forehead, front of hair and top of Phrygian cap. Shallow over polished ear. Fourth right star broken tip
Reverse B2 af- Feather engraved between eagles right wing and leg. R in Trust partially broken with triangle on arm. III S mint mark set slightly high with slight tilt to the right. Diagonal die scratch right of wreath bow
Edited by Bryan1315
10/08/2007 3:48 pm
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Thank's for your patience I think #33 on VAM 36 is the closest (R) unless there is another. The B is close (the bottom line is it) but not the rest. Plus the doubling effect (if that is what it is called) as shown in rembrandts drawing :) Only other things I found were on both sides of the bud (small hazy area)touching down to wreath leaves and the same phenom one berry to the right. (looking at coin) Center arrowhead has two diagonal indents almost in the middle, Top arrowhead, left corner small raised dot on it. Image: drawing.gif57.26 KB |
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I don't know, I have thumbed through the book and without seeing the whole coin and see exactly what you are seeing it is going to be hard to actually nail down which particular VAM your coin is. 1878 VAM's is the coin I specialized in but there are so many similarities between a number of different VAM's without really studying the coin with good pictures or in hand it can be hard to properly attribute them Edited by Bryan1315
10/09/2007 01:16 am
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