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Help On The Authenticity Of 8 Reales Mexican Coins

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 Posted 10/16/2007  06:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add baguiobookstore to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

i do not know if these coins are authentic, could anyone help me about it..

like the gram weight, any particular sign in the coins..

thank you very much.



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 Posted 10/16/2007  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight 27.07 grams
diameter 39mm
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 Posted 10/16/2007  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
baguiobookstore - I looked at the three coins you posted and based on the pictures I believe they are real. Two of them are trade type coins made after the return to the manufacture of the 8R as a Trade coin and they use standard or semi-standard dies. These two the 1888 As and 1879 Mo. They should both have "dragon's teeth" - very small sharp 1 mm rays on either side of the central downward pointing ray. These small features were an anti-counterfeiting device that was eventually adopted by all the Mexican Branch mints. These features are so small that they do not transfer well onto cast or impact transfer dies. So make sure they are there. Here is a picture:


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The 1863 Go is older made before the transition to the Peso and the dies were made locally at Guanajuato. The coin does look real and matches the matrix (design) employed in 1863 at Guanajuato.

All three dates are considered common and only the 1863 Go is known to me in a counterfeit version. This one does NOT match the counterfeit type.

Therefore, these coins should weigh 26.8 grams or more (theoritical weight is 27.03 grams but wear to this grade can remove 2 1/10s of a gram). They should also be 0.903 fine silver which will ring when tapped. If you can do a Specific Gravity they should be in the 10.1 to 10.3.

If you have other 8Rs or if you need further help just post the pictures or questions.
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 Posted 10/17/2007  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baguiobookstore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

thank you very much swamperbob.... I do have other 3 here..

i'll try to post them soon..



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10/17/2007 12:42 am
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 Posted 10/18/2007  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baguiobookstore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi swamperbob..

yes just taken the weight of these coins some hours ago and yeah they are on the weight of your theory...
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10/18/2007 1:06 pm
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I should like to interject here with a comment about Swamperbob for the benefit of relatively new forum members. SB is our resident expert (I do not lightly use this term) on counterfeit coins in general and Reales in particular. In fact, he knows more about counterfeit coins than anyone else I know in numismatics. If he hasn't written a book on the subject, he should. A true master on the topic.

I'm only just getting reactivated on the forum following a six month hiatus due to a little cancer treatment. I may have to take another leave of absence since I just was diagnosed with another cancer totally unrelated to the first. But, I had to give Bob the recognition he deserves.

Fred

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 Posted 10/18/2007  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Morgan Fred Thank you for the compliment.

I hope you are doing well and that treatment goes well in your new medical problem.
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1.) Morgan Fred, I join everyone at CCF in wishing you well in your continuing struggle...

2.) It's hard to disagree with swamperbob, he's a true legend...

3.) Nice Reales.
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 Posted 10/18/2007  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baguiobookstore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi Morgan Fred you know I'm in a Book Business...

may I just recommend some Book reading for you?

here they are...

1. POSITIVE IMAGING by NORMAN VINCENT PEALE

-- in this Book if I'm not mistaken you'll read here about a person diagnosed with cancer but by mere POSITIVE IMAGING he conducted himself, he had been totally freed with cancer...hoping you may do likewise.

2. PSYCHO-CYBERNETICS by MAXWELL MALTZ

-- same but this book will teach you more in dept process + relaxation techniques.

3. any books by OG MANDINO

4. Louis L'Amour novels - they will tell a tale of the people of the west who survived despite the odds..

wishing you a full recovery by next month Fred...
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