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Need Pricing And Other Info On Slabbed Modern Coins

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 Posted 10/23/2007  8:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 3stooges to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm working on a long-term project that involves gathering reliable pricing data on high-grade modern slabs from Lincoln cents to modern commems along with BU and proof Eagles. A number of questions come to mind, and any answers, advice or reliable sources of information would be appreciated.

1. Who besides high-end Registry set devotees are paying big money for MS-70 and Proof-70 coins?

2. In more than a few cases, values on the PCGS price guide for modern commems jump by a factor of 30 to 100-plus between -69 and -70. Is this hype, the real thing, or some of both?

3. What percentage of slabbed moderns are being sold through cable TV?

4. Some Jefferson nickels (the 1954-S, to name one) are extremely scarce with full steps. What kind of prices do the keys in FS bring?

5. Is it mainly newer collectors who are building date sets of certified moderns?

Thanks for your insights.
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 Posted 10/23/2007  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect Jefferson nickels in PR69 preferably DCAM for the most part they can be picked up for about 50% of the PCGS Price guide. The exceptions being the pre 72 coins who's populations are lower then the collector base and hence the prices are high and in some cases as with the 71s and 70s they often sell at auction for more than the PCGS price guide. I don't bother with PR70s as I have checked a few out and I cannot tell the difference between a 69 and 70 so why pay more for what in my eyes is the same coin. As for the MS coins a lot of older PCGS slabs have FS nickels in them but are not marked as such.
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 Posted 10/24/2007  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have many answers, except for Question #2. The theory is that PCGS is very stingy with the '70' grade. '69s' are much more common. So, the relative rarity of the '70' grade accounts for the dramatic price jump from 69 to 70.

In my opinion, most mortals can't see the difference between a 69 and a 70. The premium is being paid for rarity of the PCGS label.
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as far as question Number 1, I beleive that the only people that would spend that much money to have a PCGS 70 in PF or MS is building a registry set just because I don't see any reason for the price difference between 69 and 70 as far as the coins look, I have seen some 69's look better than some 70's so its just the label people are buying not any special coins in the holder. But as far as hard proof the only thing I can tell you is to look at the PCGS registry and see how many coins of a specific type are in peoples sets then look at the population reports to see how many are graded and that should give you a percentage from that specific date, but keep in mind just because its not on the registry sheet right now doesn't mean it won't be, some people wait until they have a complete set before they add their sets to the registry so they can jump to #1 all time set as soon as they add them
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In more than a few cases, values on the PCGS price guide for modern commems jump by a factor of 30 to 100-plus between -69 and -70. Is this hype, the real thing, or some of both?


Keep in mind if you're looking at pricing on the PCGS website, it is usually the highest known price ever paid for that particular grade, and usually does not even come close to real market value. Sometimes I think even the RedBook is a little overpriced for "common" coins.

As for #5, I really don't know, but I think it can very easily be a 50/50 split, or even a larger percentage of experienced collectors building them. Reason I think this is because a lot of long time collectors start to get burned out on many series and are looking for something different to focus on. Sometimes it's a registry set....Just my opinion of course.
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People have been buying, selling, and trading the high grade coins since long before the grading services came into existence. On a percentage basis a lot of the coins actually increased faster before the grading services and the registries. Of course the newer coins and bullion started concurrently with the services but no one was sending these in for years but they were still being collected. I don't believe there were a dozen mint state clad quarters graded by 1995.

The number of coins being graded is primarily a function of demand. As collectors begin their sets they put pressure on the supply which can cause the price to increase to a level at which it is profitable to submit for grading. ...build it and they will come, ...demand it and it will be graded.

Very few mint state circulating moderns are sold on TV. ...virtually none. They sell a small fraction of the proofs. In the bullion the percentage starts increasing dramatically. They really do have the lion's share of new issues but potential customers should remember that pops can increase very rapidly. They sell significant percentages of a few of the commems as well. Usually this is less than 5% though. It's very difficult for a single entity to lay hands on the vast quantities needed to control most of these markets. The bullion is a little different since it's not sold directly to the public.

There is a striong skew to younger collectors for moderns. It's difficult to get a good feel for who is buying the slabbed coins though. These seem to sometimes have a very broad audience which even includes the general public.

A lot of people can't see the difference between 69 and 70 and should absolutely not buy the higher grade unless it's cheap. I suspect if people who can't see the difference quit paying for it that many of these coins would have much lower prices. It's not at all hype; it's human nature to want the best even if you have to rely on someone else to tell you what it is.

The prices of some of the most in demand coins are set largely by auction and can vary a great deal depending on who wants it the most and who wants it nearly as much.
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