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Please Grade 1834 Bust Half

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 Posted 10/30/2007  12:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sheepy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was really excited to get this one... I think all in all the busts are my most favorite!!
She is my first half.
Please give me your opinion...
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Thanks again!!
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 Posted 10/30/2007  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd grade this VF-20.

I'm not an expert on Bust halves, but the detail on the clasp and some of the hair lines looks odd compared to the overall wear evident on the coin. This may be normal. Perhaps some of the forum Bust experts will comment.
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 Posted 10/30/2007  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-30/35, Very nice clasp definition.

Ben
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 Posted 10/30/2007  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My favorites too. VF.
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 Posted 10/30/2007  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bilbo might be on to something. I remember reading about a bust half that had the clasp re-engraved in an attempt to make it look like a higher grade. The oval groove in the clasp on this coin does seem unusually sharp given the overall amount of wear. I would check this area under a microscope to see if I could find evidence of tool marks. If it is re-engraved, the coin doctor at least did a careful job!

In other respects, this coin looks original and attractive; a nice VF.
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 Posted 10/30/2007  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an example of a tooled clasp where the tooling wasn't done very well. Note the inconsistent depth and overall lack of symmetry of the oval. The clasp on Sheepy's half looks real to me though it is remarkably well defined relative to other details of the ooin. If it was tooled, the culprit is a gifted person.

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 Posted 10/31/2007  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins had a lot of strike issues. I believe the clasp detail is original. There is definite wear on the curl on the neck and on the eagle's right wing. Without this, I'd put it at EF40 all day long. With those two areas that I feel are wear and not strike, I would call it VF30. Very nice coin!
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 Posted 10/31/2007  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By 1834 they had struck so many capped bust half dollars that they had improved the general consistency of the coins. The eagle's right (facing, left on the coin) wing was always a problem though, as was the "URI" in "E PLURIBUS UNUM." You can often see mint state coins that will have areas that look like wear on the wing and the scroll in various die combinations. That is one of the areas that makes grading bust halves so challenging.

The central obverse detail (hair, ear, clasp, and date) were all strongly struck on this coin and I have no doubt that the details are original. The even wear across the coin attracts, as do the relatively unblemished rims. I know I said VF before, but I should have mentioned that I most definitely meant higher than VF-20. A most solid collectible grade of VF 30-35, although I think SGS might call it MS-62.
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 Posted 10/31/2007  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheepy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks All! I have been wanting a half bust since I started. I really appreciate all the knowledge shared here!
Kim
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 Posted 10/31/2007  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Firecom911 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Which variety of small/large date/letters is this?
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 Posted 11/01/2007  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheepy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Firecom911 ~ I believe that it is Large date/small letters.
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 Posted 11/01/2007  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Firecom911 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks, Sheepy!

I also have an 1834 bustie, but not as nice as yours.

Now maybe I can figger out what date/letters mine is!

Steve
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