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1884 M Sovereign

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Just picked this beauty up

1884-M-Sovereign

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 Posted 03/14/2015  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi..I've been waiting for someone with greater knowledge than me to post,i would get the coin checked out as there seems to be some differences between it and a normal 1884(left,1st, coin).

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The riders right boot on the 2nd coin seems too long,head to close to the mane etc.
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I am no sovereign expert but I would agree. The details on the second coin are definitely not right. Looks like a possible fake to me.
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I am no sovereign expert but I would agree. The details on the second coin are definitely not right. Looks like a possible fake to me.


Yeah,i don't like saying it but it looks like an eg. of the fake Sovereigns that are around,they turn up on ebay regulary with dates in the 1880's.The strange thing is if its one of the 1960's eg's they do have a Gold content but knowing our Asian friends I'm sure they will,and are,faking Sovereigns without any Gold.
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It's real. Why do you believe it to be fake? What features don't look right.

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It's a different variety to the illustrated coin, the illustrated coin has no BP, OP's coin does.
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OK,i stand corrected but its certainly a different die.The size of the shoe on the riders right foot and the gap between the head and the horsed mane,these were red alerts back in the 1980's but as you say it may be a different variety.
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If you look in the latest McDonald's there is information about slightly different designs used on sovereigns in the 1880s.
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The next and very obvious step is to very accurately weigh it, then comparative ring tone test against a known genuine sovereign, any date. If still in doubt, then have the surface metal analysed with non destructive XRF testing. XRF testing is relatively inexpensive; most bullion dealers worth their salt should have a hand held instrument on hand.

The 1884M is one of the more common sovereigns of the Young Head St George series, with 2.94 million of them struck.
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If the weight is right, a specific gravity test would give a good indication of the gold content (or lack thereof).
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It needs checking out just to be sure,i know our local dealer didn't buy Sovereigns with the long foot & riders face close to the mane,he pointed it out to me many times,perhaps it was because this was the die that was counterfeited and he wasn't taking any risks,anyway it won't hurt to get it verified.
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