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Life As A TPG-Er...?

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Maybe this is the wrong place and maybe it's been done before and I'm not aware of it, but...

I've often wondered about the folks who work at the various TPGs. How did they get THAT job? What did they have to do to qualify just to get their foot in the door? Did they have to work their way up some sort of ladder? If so, what's the first "assignment" on the way up that ladder? (Keeping the dust off the slabs...?) Do they have to be able to grade every imaginable coin or can they be specialists? What's their average age? What's the salary range? How many of them do outfits like PCGS and ANACS employ? What are the working conditions like? (Assembly line...cubicles...offices...?) Do we know if any of them are members of this forum?

Again...sorry if this has been done before or if it would be better suited to a different forum category.

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Omg... u read my mind, I have wondered aboit those exact questions. Please people chime in about this!
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I did know a grader personally. Unfortunately, he's no longer alive.

However, there are no simple answers to most of your questions. My answers here are based on information I picked up from him and general information picked up over time. These answers might not be entirely accurate and could depend on a variety of factors of which I'm making some fairly general assumptions.

You could be paid between 50K-250K (more or less) depending on your knowledge and how long you've been doing it. Graders are assumed to be strong enough to grade most types of coins in a matter of seconds. So, you need to turn over a large amount of coins per hour and be accurate. Your accuracy is rated based on how closely the second grader (who supposedly blindly grades the same coins as you) and the finalizer grade the same coins.

Many graders come in as dealers (and depending on the company, that's a conflict of interest that has to be taken care of prior to grading coins). Graders must take a test grading coins. The better graders are the ones that are consistent. They don't have to be dead on with the grade on the (blinded) holder, just consistent. The grading company can actually help guide a potential grader to tighten their grading to the company's standards if the grading is consistently higher/lower and in a tight range.

They work in a dark room with lamps over each desk. For the most part, they should be able to grade without any magnification (except for problem coins, variety attribution, etc.). They have great camaraderie (this is an assumption based on one grading company I know of) in the grading room and usually get along well in and out of work. There ages will be all over the place. Usually, the junior workers will be in the lower age range. There can be anywhere from a dozen or dozens of graders depending on the size of the company (with companies like PCGS being on the side of a larger employer).

Newer graders are usually expected to grade massive amounts of moderns. Even some of those graders will admit that it can be quite tedious. It's fun to grade a bunch of type stuff, but that's not always a lot of the volume that many graders will have passing through their hands.
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I think that might be one of those jobs that one kind of "falls-into."
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There is at least one former grader with a high post count at Coin Community.
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I hope he chimes in, I know alot of people would love to know so they can have a better mental image of their coins journey.
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I hope he chimes in, I know alot of people would love to know so they can have a better mental image of their coins journey.


And be the guy everybody complains to even though it's been years since he worked for that TPG? I don't blame him for staying anonymous by choice.
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Very true SD... But maybe ccf will let him post as guest or anonymous as this is a true teaching site and this is a question/topic that many of us wonder about.
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In the meantime, you can take Prethen's words as, if incomplete, precisely accurate. One way or another you have to appear on their radar or have a curriculum vitae which would be acceptable if they saw it. I don't see people rising through the mailroom unless they're over-the-top coin geeks who pester their bosses until they relent.

The guy I know burned out under the workload and walked away.
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The guy I know burned out under the workload and walked away.


He's probably living stress free in his new life as an air traffic controller.
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No, he's now a professional dart team goalie.
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All of them I ever knew got burned out after a few years of doing it. I'm sure it can be stressful.

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That sort of single-track obsession is ideal to me () but there's this problem with what they call a 70....
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You know dave when I first started reading threads here I swear I convinced myself you were Dave Hall because you knew so darn much. I even thought the Philly on your profile might be a red herring. I am still unconvinced!
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