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Charles I Tower Mint Shilling

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Hi I recently bought this shilling and was wondering if anyone could help me to narrow down the date range from 1625-1648 to something more specific?

I think it is a Class 4D is that correct?

Thanks.

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The mintmark is a triangle, which according to my 2009 Spink catalogue dates it to 1639-40.

Nice coin with a great portrait!
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This coin may have been suspended at some time or other.
I do not that the projection from the obverse rim at 5:30 is a casting sprue, but is the old remains of hard silver solder that attached a spur for suspension in a jewelry piece.
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Spink 2799 'Briot' style bust. (Michael Sharp's G1/2 or Francis' Type 4.4))

Triangle mint mark dates if between 4 Jul 1639-26 Jun 1640.

I don't believe the projection is suspicious. These coins were hand shaped and often not entirely circular, in fact they were often quite oddly shaped. A decent example.

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03/15/2015 5:40 pm
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Thankyou all for your help.

I will post a close up of that area when I receive it.
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Edge on may be telling.
Mounting spur, not a casting sprue.
I will leave room in my thinking for irregular shape at that point.
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Here's a not-too-dissimilar edge bump on one of mine to add to the discussion:

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It has to be remembered that these coins were crudely cut from silver, then beaten thinner. Once the right thickness several blanks were stacked together. These were then clamped at the ends holding them in a 'sausage' shape and the cylinder of blank planchets was hammered along the edge to make them as close to circular as reasonable.

Any 'spurs' that were left from the original clipping to shape would take the appearance we see at around 3 o'clock on the reverse of my coin, where the edge curls a bit. You can also see evidence of the shearing to shape between 6 and 9 o'clock on the obverse.

My view is it's an aspect of the manufacture of the blank we see here, although a blow to the edge of the coin post-minting could also cause a similar 'bulge' I guess ..



Edit. And though it may be of no interest to you flippy, your coin once belonged to the collector Alan Morris, though I'm afraid my records don't say where he bought it.

Alan's collection was sold through a UK dealer from about 2010 - There were over 200 Charles I shillings alone, though I doubt there's much left of it to sell now.

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Hi Tom, thanks for the reply.

Thanks for clearing all for clearing all of this up. I glad to know the coin was not damaged.

It is very interesting to know how they minted these coins 370 years ago.

I am very happy to know it was from a known collector who once held a sizeable collection.
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