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1790 Guinea?

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Hello, Is this a real guinea? I am aware that there are many reproductions and the wear and strike on this one look suspect. Sorry for the bad pictures, they are the seller's pics not mine.
Thanks in advance.


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No, not genuine. The visible details on the portrait look completely wrong. Compare the hair, for example, with this genuine example. Further, look at the visible lettering: at 8 o'clock on the reverse, for example, it says "C.B. ET" - a genuine coin says "M.B.F. ET" a that point. "C.B." would be the encoded name or initials of the manufacturer of this replica.
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The first and most important question to be asked here is:
'Is it made of gold?'
A guinea weighs 8.4 grammes. If genuine, this one should weigh a little less due to the hole and wear, at perhaps around 8.1 grammes.

The eye detail of the King looks a little odd to me, but that may be the way it is, with the amount of wear this coin has sustained due to the fact that it has been used a jewelry piece, holed for suspension.
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It is a brass gaming token.
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They were often used as fobs for watch chains.
They can be bought for pence.
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In my new book in the chapter Foreign Contemporary Counterfeits 1500-1800 I am looking at around 75-80 different specimens and the U.K. CC guineas are being analyzed and being included in this chapter. Some do come with off-legends and some analysis so far show: 1. Gilding with mercury (amalgam types), brass, silver and gold mixture & debasement with copper. Feel free to send me photos with weight and diameter and edge description (i.e., plain, engrailed, etc.).

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