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Rainbow Alligator Eye... U Vs PCGS... ***updated Grade***

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just going through some blue boxes and found one of my 87's is a vam-12 top 100 alligator eye! My questions are: what grade do you think pcgs gave her? and what do you think of her color and how it played into the grade?... I have another question too but I want these answers first. Thanks guys & happy Sunday from hot as heck socal!

Rainbow-Alligator-Eye...-U-Vs-PCGS...-***updated-Grade***

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No thoughts... what's going on here?
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Very nice! I'll bet she's a real looker in hand.

I'm afraid they may have passed an AU55 grade and hopefully nothing worse.
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I could see this coin being one whose color worn off the high points caused them to think it circulated when it didn't. I'm not sure I see wear. Morgans with this much color coverage usually get tough scrutiny for originality. Not sure myself.
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Maybe PCGS said MS but with questionable toning? I'm not sure.
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Questionable toning? Do slabs really say that? and why would this be "questionable"
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I can't fully remember but I'mpretty sure this one was in a necklace ring collar thing when I got it
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I'm going with MS64.
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Oops forgot to post a pic of the alligator eye & letter doubling for u guys...

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This one's tough.

MS-64?
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Very tough 63-64?
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Here she is and my apologies but she is a VAM 12a with the clashes... I though she deserved at least 64-65 too but with my loop I can see that 2 spots, one on each side of the wings, is some kind of gunk with fibers in it...
My next question is did it effect the grade? Should I send it in for "conservation" (havent done a conserve sub yet) and will that bump the grade to what it should be? Thanks guys!

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and why would this be "questionable"


The degree of coverage - coin about completely covered including devices - and the splotchy progression of colors are both red flags for a TPG. The color progressions of toning as it deepens obey the laws of physics and are known, and generally the "known natural" toning on a Morgan develops by patterns related to where the toning happened, in a Mint bag or an album.

There are exceptions, and if I had this coin in hand I'd be prepared to consider it natural.
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Thanks SD, once again you chime in aND confirm my novice mental exercise game of what did that mean?... My guess to what he was talking about was because the coverage of the color was even like the coin could have been in a fluid or something.
So what do u think pcgs thought about it giving it a 62? And what do u think I should do about the gunk, does this coin have a shot at 64-65+ while keeping it's color if I send it in to conservation?
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Oh, and does it give this coin even more of a premium having complete rainbow coverage being slabbed ms?... is there a premium being a highly collected VAM in such colorful appearance? Do all these factors add up to a huge premium?
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