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Is The 1864 In This Lot An "L"?

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I noticed the top left 1864 coin in this lot's bust looks different than the rest. Is it an "L"?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-Head...p=true&rt=nc
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There is no link?
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Despite what ebay sellers try to convince you of, the "L" must show for it to have any premium over a standard 1864 bronze.
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Forgot the link. There was no mention of this being an "L". They were cheap anyhow. Why do the guides say they have a premium in good grades if there is no premium without the "L"?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-Head...p=true&rt=nc
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I've seen G-4 coins where the "L" shows and VG-10 coins where the "L" doesn't. It all depends on how they wear.
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The bust looks pointed and I believe I can even see the 'L'. If I buy an IHC variety, I am not going to pay a premium for the coin if most of the markers for that variety are worn off. It kind of defeats the whole purpose of buying the variety.
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Thanks BeagleBailey. I can't really tell the difference. I thought it just looked different than the rest of the coins listed. From what I read, all coins after 1864 have pointy busts and an "L". I will have to check that out along with coins before 1864 compared to after and if my higher grade coins have an "L".
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Yes, that's probably an "L" cent with the pointed bust. I don't know much about values, but someone got a good deal on this lot.
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Agree ... It's an L, and I, too, believe I can see it.
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If that L shows it's an easy flip my friend.
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Yes, I bought this lot. I will post a pic when I get them. The difference I noticed is that the Indian's face up to the nose and headdress appeared more flat then the others. I don't know if what I was reading on the forum that all coins after 1964 are "L"'s. This coin looks distinctly different than other coins in the lot.
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Despite what everyone else is saying, in this case, it is not an "L". Look at the bottom edge of the ninth feather..see how it has a curved shape? On the 1864's with "L", the bottom edge of the feather will be straight, like you see on the other pennies in the picture (1888, 1906, etc). The bust is worn and a bit out of focus in this picture, so that is not a reliable marker. Keep up the hunt! :)
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What do you think Beaglebailey? Is what Mike1487 is saying true? Some of the message board posts I have been reading around are a bit confusing. Like is the 9th feather of this coin rounded? Should 1864-L look like all the coins post that year and regular 1864 look like pre-1864 coins? This is why I don't bother with them.
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I don't think so, but you paid nearly nothing for it. I'd be more interested to see if that 1888 is an 8/7. I doubt it, but I can't tell from the pictures.
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I am confused about the "rounded 9th feather" because I look at some post 1864 coins with rounded feathers and pre-1864 with feathers more flat. Best to dismiss it. Maybe this 1888 is a thing huh? Something in the loops of the 8 who knows?


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