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1794 Cents With Head Of 1793

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In my opinion the 1794 cents with Head of 1793 are the most appealing of all 1794 cents. There is something quite endearing about them, difficult to define. They are also fairly scarce to find!

You can appreciate the differences in bust types used for the 1794 cents in the following pictures (from pcgscoinfacts).

I was lucky a while back to be able to find a example. It is in very low grade, with the reverse almost gone, plus other defects. But you can't be too choosy here. The variety is the S-18b, R-4, the most common of the 5 major Head of 1793 types. On the plus side, the bust is well defined and the planchet is clean with no corrosion or major defects as often seen with the heads of '93.

Comments and opinions welcome!


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Awesome coin GERMANICVS. I too prefer the the head of 1793 over the the other two styles used in 1794. (The only possible exception might be the 1794 Apple Cheeks variety). I feel that the head of 93 is more subtle and artistic than the other two not to mention it's in higher relief. The 1793 variety with the beaded edge is even more spectacular. Of course it is so rare few large cent collectors will ever see one let alone own one.
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Thanks for those comparison images. Very helpful. I love the 94s but have gotten discouraged by not being able to afford nice ones. I have started reworking my large cent collection - moving towards hard to find die states of middle to late dates. At least I can acquire some higher grades! I have started selling my early dates...
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I always found that the descriptions of how to tell the head of 93 were lacking. Typically they always like to describe it as having "high rounded relief". Well you don't see too much high rounded relief on AG cois that are worn low and flat.

Easiest way to recognize a 94 head of 93 is LIBERTY is well away from the forehead, and the junction of the hair and forehead is centered between the T and Y. That isn't seen on anything except S-17,18,19,and 20, the heads of 93.
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Thank you for your comments.

Celticsoul, we do have similar tastes. Besides the heads of '93, I really like the Apple Cheeks, like you do. Here is my example of this variety and one of the first 94's I ever got.

Maris called this variety 'Scarred Head' - much less flattering!

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The Heads of '93 are elusive - I would like to add an S-19 or 20 to my collection at some point, but do not want to spend a fortune on it. I am patient.I guess I will have to be.

Pete2226 - sorry to hear about your troubles finding decent 1794's.
Too much demand for nice ones, I agree. Have you considered the Draped Bust types? The 1796 D.B's are also difficult to find nice, but 1797 and specially 1798 and 1800 (and of course also 1802 and 1803 which are much more plentiful) are good dates that can still be found at reasonable levels.

Conder - thank you for the comment on how to easily identify the Heads of 93, specifically that the junction of hair and forehead is centered between T and Y. I remember your comment from elsewhere, and that is the first marker I look for when I see them advertised. Amazing how many I have seen described as Heads of '93, when they were really not.
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The only 1794 I have is this S-23. The effect of the die crack is to raise the cheek, making it similar to the high relief of the head of 1793. Mumps cheek?

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Fascinating! Thank you for posting the varieties of 1794 Large Cents! And, congratulations on the culmination of your long quest!!


And, I'm guessing my 1795 LC has the head of 1795?



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Moe, thank you for posting your '94.

If you look at the distinguishing features of the various '94 heads in the illustration (from the internet), you can see yours is a Head of 1794 with a hook in the lowest curl.

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Cool coins, all. I've been focusing on my middle dates and have been patient trying to obtain a nice 1794 without breaking the bank. My quest goes on.
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If you look at the distinguishing features of the various '94 heads in the illustration (from the internet), you can see yours is a Head of 1794 with a hook in the lowest curl.



The second set of pictures shows it clearly. Thank you Germanicvs! I never knew!!
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Thank you GERMANICVS as this is so interesting. Unfortunately I don't have a Head of 1793. My four 1794's are S-21, S-28, S-55, and S-65. I'm not complaining and just feel blessed to have them. Here's the S-28.
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Great coin cipster!
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Amazing how many I have seen described as Heads of '93, when they were really not.

Doesn't surprise me a bit because I've seen a lot of them myself. Back in the years before PCGS started doing varieties on their slabs they would just list head types on the 94's and they had a LOT of heads of 94 listed as heads of 93. (about a $2,000+ error for anyone who bought them based on the "attribution".)

Of course once they started listing variety attributions a lot of those were wrong as well. And that goes for NGC as well. Never trust a TPG attribution, especially on an older slab. (They are getting better, but they no longer guarantee their attributions either. Or at least NGC doesn't.)
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