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France - A Doublestruck Ecu

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These 1701 French crowns were very ofter overstruck on older issues. Remnants of the older coin can be be seen on the reverse of this coin -

France---A-Doublestruck-Ecu



In this case, please note that the King's image has been struck twice, as shown here -

France---A-Doublestruck-Ecu



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 Posted 03/26/2015  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Can you tell what the overstruck coin was?
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Letters from both sides look too soft, that is, not as compact as a normal Ecu. Is it really problem-free? Is the weight within specification?
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Humm. I've taken a better look, and weighed it.

I now think it is a 1/2 Ecu, partly because it weighs just under 1/2 Ecu target (13.21gms vs target of 13.544gms).

As for ill-formed lettering, I really couldn't say.


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Here's a genuine restruck 1701 demi ecu

http://www.cgb.fr/louis-xiv-le-gran...88081,a.html

The reverse shield is a different style compared to your example, and matches the style of the "demi ecu huit lettres" used in the same period (though I couldn't find a 1701 example). Weight looks OK.

This 1704 Toulouse mint is a closer match. It appears to be overstruck on a 1693 with a shield which matches your example

http://www.cgb.fr/louis-xiv-le-gran...13304,a.html

I think the lettering on your example is as sharp as a genuine coin, given the degree of wear. I can't see there being much chance that this train wreck of a coin is a contemporary counterfeit since the weight is correct. The early French counterfeits I own are all substantially underweight base metal.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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This is a great historical coin of the kind that I like to collect. You have a demi-ecu of Louis XIIII that appears to be a triple over strike. The obverse shows Louis XIIII struck upside down then turned 180 degrees and double struck right side up. The reverse shows and misses much information oriented at about 9:00 o'clock in the picture. I think I see some palm leaves from a demi-ecu aux palmes (prior to 1700), then a strong strike of a demi-ecu aux insignes with the date 1701 which is clear but with "Atelier illisibles" ( no mint mark) which should appear near 9:00 under the circle, and finally a third overstrike of a demi-ecu aux huit "L" second type (1704-1709) but with "Date et atelier illisibles." The 1701 date shows through from the middle overstrike, not from the last. I like to collect these with three clear (and different) dates which sometimes happens as overstrikes often leave information at the rim from under types clearly visible. This coin dropped from circulation in France at the time that Dumas writes about at the outset of his blockbuster historical saga about Three Musketeers. Having three powerful overstrikes devoted to maintaining and restoring the image of King Louis XIII, the motto "all-for-one-and-one-for-all" fits this coin nicely.
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The Musketeers were a bit earlier @pistareen. If you ever have a chance visit La Rochelle. The siege (where the Musketeers taunted the Huguenots behind the wall), driving the hated Anglais off nearby Ile de Re, the harbor mouth that Richelieu chained shut...it's like going back in time to the 1620's. Though the dining choices are better today.
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Thanks thq, for the pictures of similar but different half Ecus.

Thanks also, Pistereen, for describing what happened to this coin. I was having trouble identifying the understrike, never thinking that there might be two of them.


I have few overstrikes. I mostly collect dramatic doublestrikes, like the French crown shown at https://goccf.com/t/182109&SearchTerms=french



Cheers,
Bill
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