Netherlands Antilles Fish And Stars

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snowman Pillar of the Community United States 1840 Posts	Posted 11/15/2007 8:17 pm As mentioned in Krause. Can anyone explain this to me? Edited by snowman 11/15/2007 8:17 pm Report this Post to the Staff

GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 11/15/2007 8:18 pm Report this Post to the Staff
snowman Pillar of the Community United States 1840 Posts	Posted 11/15/2007 8:29 pm Sorry GO, maybe I was a litte vague. Reference the 1968 cent or the 1965 2 1/2 cent. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16808 Posts	Posted 11/16/2007 03:06 am That would be the privy marks, as given at the start of the listing. On Dutch and Dutch territorial coins, there are two of them. One is a mintmark, and since (except for WWII) there's only been one mint in the Netherlands (Utrecht), this mark will always be the same - a caduceus. The second mark is the personal mark chosen by the master of the mint, and used on coins issued during his tenure. A note at the bottom of the privy mark listing in the section for the Netherlands proper says, "A star adjoining the privy mark indicates that the piece was struck at the beginning of the term of office of a successor. The star was used only if the successor had not chosen his own mark yet.". In other words, the added star is kind of like the "maple leaf mark" on Canadian coins dated 1947: it indicates that the privy mark doesn't mean what it normally does, and the owner of this privy mark wasn't really responsible for this coin. Either the new guy hasn't decided what symbol to use yet, they haven't appointed a replacement yet, or they just didn't want to waste the dies already prepared with the old guy's mark on them. Example: "fish" was the symbol of the mintmaster from 1945 to 1969. When he died/retired, "fish&star" coins were issued until the next mintmaster (1969-1979) was ready with his "cock" privy mark. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
blueczar1512 Valued Member Australia 112 Posts	Posted 11/16/2007 09:44 am Sap, does the same year ever have different privy marks? Such as in your example, 1969 with fish and 1969 with fish&star Report this Post to the Staff
chrisild Pillar of the Community Germany 1238 Posts	Posted 11/16/2007 1:07 pm Here is a complete list of those mintmaster signs: http://nl.knm.nl/domains/default/pa...meesterteken Christian Edited by chrisild 11/16/2007 1:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
snowman Pillar of the Community United States 1840 Posts	Posted 11/16/2007 5:52 pm Thanks everyone for your answers. The coins that I'm dealing with are pretty small so it was tough to see exactly what Krause was talking about. For all you following along: The fish is to the left of the date the "star" is to the right. Sorry about the scan, the coin is about the size of my fingernail. Report this Post to the Staff
chrisild Pillar of the Community Germany 1238 Posts	Posted 11/16/2007 6:26 pm The symbol to the right is the caduceus that Sap mentioned, ie. the Utrecht mint mark. On the right, that should be a fish without a star: According to the Dutch "Muntalmanak", the 1957 coin had the fish, and only the 1966 issue had the fish with the star. Christian Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16808 Posts	Posted 11/16/2007 10:30 pm quote: snowman asked: Sap, does the same year ever have different privy marks? Such as in your example, 1969 with fish and 1969 with fish&star Yes, you can have coins of the same date bearing different privy mark combinations, but remember, coins with the additional "star" mark may not have been struck in the year indicated on the coin. Just like Canadian "1947 maple leaf" coins were actually struck in 1948, the Netherlands Antilles "1968 star&fish 1 cent" and the "1966 star&fish 1/10 gulden" were actually struck in 1969; they simply took the old dies and added the stars. Thus there are two varieties of 1 cent dated 1968: "1968 fish" (actually struck in 1968) and "1968 fish&star" (actually struck in 1969). On the coinage of Netherlands proper, with much higher mintages than the territorial issues, the "fish&star" mark doesn't seem to have been used; they jumped straight from fish to cock. But 1969 coins, both proof and circulation versions, can be found with the two different marks. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
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