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1923 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle

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Hello everyone;

I'm a new collector and have recently aquired a 1923 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle coin (my very first one). I have noticed under slight magnification that on the obverse near the stars in certain locations there are what seems to be die cracks.

Some of the stars are misformed compared to others, and there seems to be some color variances on both sides in different areas.

Is this a known/common occourance?

I have purchased it from a coin & jewelry auction house in RAW state in BU condition.

The coin weighs 33.43 g

I'll try to upload/format pictures if required.

Thanks
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Pictures are a pre-requisite to an informed opinion which our members will gladly give. Be assured that the CCF will attempt to answer your concerns.
You have come to the best place for an honest answer.

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Hi Strike Zone....I am not a gold expert but http://www.apmex.com has a very nice picture and also a zoom feature that will give you a great look at an example to compare your coin to. I'm sure others will chime in as well with more advise, especially when you get your pictures uploaded.
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Can't help very much with out 'em! A picture is worth a thousand words!
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I have seen a few St Gaudens double eagles that have minor flow lines, outward from the stars.
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Pictures are needed but what you have described does not sound like a concern.
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Ok I have taken some pictures of the coin. Please see photos.

Thanks

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I Don't Know anything about them besides the fact I would Love to own an authentic piece in almost any grade to start with,
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It looks fine to me.
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Looks like a righteous Saint to me. The die cracking isn't unheard of, and in an appropriate location to find it. I'm concerned with your note about the stars, but gold is a soft metal and it's possible that your eye is too precise for acceptable production tolerances. Your images aren't large enough to be sure but the rest of the coin looks good enough that even if it's a fake the stars are close. Perhaps you could offer a detail image; don't expect the stars to all be perfect matches for each other.

The gold in a Saint is alloyed at 10% Copper. As a result, even though gold is a noble metal which does not tarnish, the copper will allow it to develop a "patina" which resembles a darker hue of the original gold.

Just like your coin.

So, in balance, all the features you mention tend to support that it's a good coin, not the opposite. Of course I'm not saying I'm 100% sure based on one set of images but all the evidence indicates you have a nice original Saint.
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Updated photos



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The obverse die crack matches one found on PCGS CoinFacts

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/9175

Here's the one I was using for comparison http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/30...0006_max.jpg

Even on that high grade example, some of the stars have a smashed appearance to my eye anyway.

-MV
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Yes that sounds just like it....thanks
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