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Pillar of the Community
United States
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With the proliferation of AT coin doctoring and how good they are getting with tecnique I'm assuming that in 10 yrs they may get sooo good as to be almost indistinguishable from authentic NT monsters.
If this becomes a reality do u think the true slabbed monsters with known pedigrees like the "Christmas tree", "Southern Cross" etc will hold or increase their values or could it cause the entire toner market and sub niche to collapse?
My thought are along the lines of a Picasso or Salvatore dali. Sooo many spot on fakes but the real deals still hold and gain value.
I guess what I'm getting at is what, in your opinions, would be the 5-10yr investment premium gains on true monsters?.. If I spend $3000 on one today could it go to $10,000 by 2025?
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Pillar of the Community
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Personally, I thought "monster toning" was incredibly over-hyped to begin with as being "incredibly rare" and, now that it can easily be done artificially, I think it no longer adds that much to the value. A really nicely toned Morgan will certainly bring a premium, but nothing near like what it used to.
Plus, since toning is just a form of tarnish, I'd be afraid that the toning would change over time.
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So, how do you duplicate natural toning perfectly in artificial fashion? I have no idea how.
And if I did manage to perfectly duplicate natural toning, why would it then not be natural? The only way to get there is "natural" processes.
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Pillar of the Community
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Good point SD, but what if technology / tecnique gets there is kind of my point. I'm just speculating on the future of high end monsters and getting opinions.
I'm really thinking of buying that "textile summer" coin in a few months if he still has it. Do you think it and coins like it will hold and gain value or is the monster market too volatile right now for a somewhat safe speculative investment?
Edited by Cascade
04/02/2015 7:01 pm
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United States
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True monsters won't devalue. Stuff like textile toning simply can't be duplicated without a few decades to work.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They will all turn black within a hundred years, and everyone would cry, and blast-white Morgans would be the most sought-after. So Bill Fivaz says when this topic is broughht up.  |
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We've reduced the sulfur dioxide content in the atmosphere so drastically in the last century that things just won't tone naturally like they used to without help. I suppose living downwind from an active volcano would be advantageous.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In my opinion "monster tone" anything is just a fad. I've been a collector long enough to see a lot of trends come and go and in my opinion this is one of them.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thought you meant one of these   I think demand for toning on any coin is like a roller coaster: Some times its high, sometimes it's low. Right now i'd say its decently high, but It could change. IMHO. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Ahhh... Someone call Rick Grimes! It's a zombie  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I love true monster Morgans, but all the over inflated BIN prices on ebay gets on my nerves. I don't mind paying some kind of premium for a really attractive toner, but I'm not going to pay the moon for one. |
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Edited by Cascade
04/03/2015 11:31 am
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Pillar of the Community
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 Now THAT is awesome. I saved all the images from that site for reference a couple of years ago, but I didn't realize this nickname was used. Hehe. A Darth Verde Morgan. Simply awesome. Edited by Darth Morgan
04/03/2015 6:48 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I can't help thinking that this particular Morgan may have been artificially toned.
A couple of problems:
1). I have experimented with the heat treating of common circulation coins. With a bit of care and experience, I cannot see why I could not reproduce what is seen here.
2). Rainbow toning is in a very delicate state of transition in the progression of toning from blast white to an even dark gray, be it artificial or natural. As such, it is unstable. If you happen to have a rainbow toned coin, sell it immediately at it's optimum appearance for maximum monetary return.
It is very easy to turn a coin completely black, with strong heating followed by rapid cooling.
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Posted 04/02/2015 6:33 pm
