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Grade A 1909-S VDB

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 Posted 11/22/2007  10:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a grade in mind, but I'd like to hear your thoughts first.
Thanks!

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 Posted 11/22/2007  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sleaklight to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am thinking ms 65, there's a couple of distracting dings( forehead, cheek, shoulder, back of head ) on the obverse
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 Posted 11/23/2007  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks on the grade! A 65 would be great! I was guessing at least a 64, but I'll know better when I get it certified.
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 Posted 11/23/2007  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my series, but I'll give it a go and call it an ms64 with pcgs or ngc, maybe a 65 with anacs.
Cool coin, Kurt!
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 Posted 11/23/2007  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kurt

Speaking only to the grade ,the pics are not large enough to pick out any details for Authentication ,, I think the coin will grade a very strong MS-63 possible a 64 ,,with the shadows on the coin I hesitate to call it Red,, but it looks like it has a shot at the color designation .




The big hit on the forehead and the jaw will be the determining factor between 63 and 64 ,,being a key date the graders could go either way liberal or conservative .

I hope they lean to the high side !

Very nice coin !

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 Posted 11/23/2007  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, looks red in the pics, I'd say 64 due to key status and eye appeal, anywhere from 63-65 though.
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 Posted 11/23/2007  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
63RD (has hit in field and on forehead), but I could see this possibly going 64 for eye appeal.
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 Posted 11/23/2007  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all your grades! I'm going to give this one an MS64 since PCGS does allow for a few marks in this grade, and this coin certainly has good eye appeal and a nice strike. I'll follow up when this returns from grading...thanks!

Here are a few more lighting angles on this coin:


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 Posted 11/23/2007  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck with the submission ,,and Like I said I hope the graders lean to the high side .

From the pics the coin still looks boarderline for the Red color designation ,,

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 Posted 11/23/2007  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting point Metalman...I'll just have to see how it grades, although the consensus with colleagues so far has been RD. Btw, these photos were from the dealer, and all this shots in the "MS63-65 RD" range look this way. I now suspect this color is due to his lighting setup.
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 Posted 11/23/2007  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice. I'm thinking 64 because the hit on the forehead is a bit detracting to me. Update us with the results when you get them back.
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 Posted 11/24/2007  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64 I can't decide on Red or RB based on these pics.
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 Posted 11/24/2007  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all your comments. I just spoke with the dealer, who reassured me it's "red". Either way, I'll know first-hand in the morning.
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 Posted 11/24/2007  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kurt. I am thinking MS-63 RB. That bang on the forehead is really keeping me from 64. the Obverse appears red but the reverse looks ot move it into rb.
Let us know when it comes back and what a nice coin.
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 Posted 11/26/2007  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By way of an update, I have viewed the coin in person and my gut tells me it's a borderline RB. Given how volatile pricing is on RB vs RD, I'm not going to chance this one with PCGS.

Thanks Metalman for the heads-up on this one...avoiding a borderline case like this may have saved me money. :)
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