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Irish And English Tudor Coins

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 Posted 11/23/2007  11:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bonn Geal to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I'm doing research on the sixteenth-century debasements and forgeries of currency as part of my PhD. Both Michael Dolley and C.E. Challis have written on this, but there does not appear to be any other secondary reading. Nonetheless, I need to understand its economic consequences. I've got Michael Dolley's works, but I'm wondering would anybody have access to the British Numismatics Journal? Challis wrote an article entitled 'The Tudor Coinage for Ireland' in volume 40 (1971). My uni does not subscribe to it, however, so if anybody out there would be able to forward me a copy that would be superb.

The second question relates to the legitimacy of coins purported to be Tudor which are for sale on ebay. For example: http://coins.search.ebay.co.uk/eliz...QsacatZ58524. There are more on Ebays other national sites. Are there really that many coins in existence from so long ago? I've been quite surprised at them, and the prices they seem to be going for. Is there a catch? I'd love to start collecting them, but these prices and the ready availability of such old coins seems suspicious.

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 Posted 11/24/2007  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Bonn Geal asked:
Are there really that many coins in existence from so long ago? I've been quite surprised at them, and the prices they seem to be going for. Is there a catch? I'd love to start collecting them, but these prices and the ready availability of such old coins seems suspicious.

There sure are that many genuine old coins around. None of these would have been found in circulation, of course. A few will be relics and heirlooms passed down through the generations, but most of these would have been excavated, usually by metal detectorists. Britain's relatively enlightened treasure trove laws mean that many people end up keeping any silver coins that are found.

As for pricing, perhaps the "completed auctions" search is a better indication of what the coins are actually selling for. But coins of the period are readily available for just a few pounds, especially from the long reign of Elizabeth I.

There will of course be the occasional reproduction, sold as such or misleadingly as genunine, but this field doesn't seem to be flooded with Chinese fakes like several other series have been.
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 Posted 11/24/2007  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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There will of course be the occasional reproduction, sold as such or misleadingly as genunine, but this field doesn't seem to be flooded with Chinese fakes like several other series have been.



Shh...don't give them any hints.

And ditto to what Sap said--there are a 'ton' of older coins around, especially from the Tudors on in all kinds of denominations, metals, conditions. If you are planning to do any purchasing in this area, ebay can be a wonderful place, especially in those instances when you know more about the coin than the seller. This has happened several times to me, although I think it says more about the buyer than my own smarts.

You'll find less availability and higher prices in earlier coinage (I have to choose between a mortgage payment and a high-grade Cnut so I've been choosing the mortgage up until now). For buyers, patience is the key. If you are thinking of becoming a buyer, you can take your time. Look at completed listings on ebay and retail prices online, get a feel for the market and what's out there.

As for your Ph.D., it sounds really fascinating from a lot of angles, I wish I could help you with your search, but here in Northern Michigan we're lucky to get 'People,' 'Time,' and 'National Geographic' at our library.
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