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New Member
United Kingdom
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can someone please help me to identify two items I have the first is george the 4th coin dated 1823 the other is queen victoria dated 1887
i will try to attache some photos any help would be great thanks Nigel
hi again cant seem to get photos on will keep trying
Edited by nigel murphy
09/17/2005 12:50 pm
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Photos would be very helpful in this instance.
Firstly are the coins gold, silver or copper?
Secondly how big are they?
Thirdly what's on the opposite side to the monarch?
I ask this because Victoria had three different obverses (heads) in 1887.
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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HI thanks for asking the colour is gold, diameter is 2.5 cm,and the back is coat of arms with writing around the edge saying HONI.SIOT.OUI.MAL. Y PENSE thanks
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Like this but gold?  |
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United Kingdom
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New Member
United Kingdom
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yes that is the one thanks
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
438 Posts |
Ah then I know exactly what your 1887 one is. It's basically a silver shilling that has been gold plated or gilt. I should warn you that collectors regard this as damage, which kills any collecting value it may have had. A picture would help to ascertain the grade of the piece and how bad the plating is.
Why did they plate them you ask? Some were done for jewelry most likely, others were done because people tried to pass them off as gold sovereigns (£1 coins of the day) which were nearly the same size. As sovereigns were worth 20 times more than a shilling (and a shilling was a fair bit of money in itself) there'd be one heck of a profit to be made out of it.
Unfortunately the sovereign reverse has St. George and the Dragon and not a shield, but the obverse is the exact same design. So they kinda had to do what people do these days when passing off old 5p pieces as 10p coins.
Right lets figure out what the 1823 one is shall we? Gold, silver or copper? Size and tails side design.
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New Member
United Kingdom
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ok here we go will try to describe this one as best I can as it is a little unusual than your normal coin.
It is Gold in colour, 3cm in size, and the design is George and the Dragon. On the head side is the writing:- GEORGIUS IIII DG BRITANNIA RRZX.FD:
This coin I have I would presume has been turned into a pendant to wear on a chain as on the top of the coin there is some scroll design in gold and a small hole for the neck chain to go though.
Also if you could tell me how you go about putting photos into these messages as I have taken pictures of these coins and have them on the computer but cannot seem to attach them to these emails. Thanks for your help and assistance
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Susan is the best one to ask on the picture front. She'll probably check in here. I'm afraid I'm not very technical.
Hmm does the RRZX not say REX?
It could be a sovereiogn that been altered for jewellry, then again it could be a fake or imitation sovereign. If it does say RRZX then it's most definately not real.
I've seen quite a few George IV fakes out there, many of them very crude and look not much like the real ones.
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New Member
United Kingdom
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Had a look again and is does definately say REX. Thankyou so much for your information and sharing your knowledge with me. I will be back on soon as now I'm off out. Many, Many thanks
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Forum Mom
 United States
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Here are the pics of the George and the Dragon coin:   |
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United Kingdom
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Oh yes definately a forgery, no doubt about it. I've seen quite a few of these. Looks more like Julius Caesar than George IV.
Not much value there I'm afraid. I had a feeling it might be one of these when you said it looked a bit different to the others.
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New Member
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thanks a lot for all your help
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