1776 Curency Coin, Counterfeit/Fake Or Real?

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spiritwithsoul4 New Member United States 15 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:33 pm Does anyone believe this to be Real or Fake ? Give reasons for your answer Image: 1776.jpg 80.69 KB Image: 17762.jpg 86.74 KB Image: 17763.jpg 91.08 KB Image: 17764.jpg 79.54 KB Edited by spiritwithsoul4 11/29/2007 2:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff

halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:44 pm I believe it is real--it exists--but that it is also fake. It looks like a cast copy and not a minted coin. Report this Post to the Staff
justjimrob Valued Member United States 330 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:50 pm Looks like a copy to me. The metal does not seem correct. Is the word copy on the edge anywhere? The sandwiched edge seems to point to a copy as well. http://www.coinfacts.com/colonial_c...l_dollar.htm Also, welcome! Jim Edited by justjimrob 11/29/2007 2:51 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Gold Certificates Valued Member United States 206 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:51 pm Im not sure with all of the black "freckels" on it. I would suggest trying to have it graded. If it comes back slabbed, that means that it is authenic. If not, its fake. I would suggest either PCGS or NGC I hope this helps. -Ben Report this Post to the Staff
spiritwithsoul4 New Member United States 15 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:54 pm It is not stamped copy anywhere, Is it true that they was made in Pewter ? This seems to look Pewter to me. Your Thoughts ? Report this Post to the Staff
spiritwithsoul4 New Member United States 15 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:58 pm P.S. This is a GREAT Forum, Wish I wouldv'e found it along time ago ! Report this Post to the Staff
nohope587 Pillar of the Community United States 5953 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 2:59 pm Pictures are nice but weight and dimensions would helpful.......without those I would just be guessing Report this Post to the Staff
spiritwithsoul4 New Member United States 15 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 3:06 pm Richard, It weights 22.55 Grams.... 348 Grains Report this Post to the Staff
hunter20ga Pillar of the Community United States 1173 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 3:24 pm Check out the following website for a picture of a genuine coin for comparison. Note the tight fit for "1776" in the genuine coin. I'm thinking that spiritwithsoul4's coin is less likely real, more likely a fake, but I've never seen an example of this coin in hand, so who am I to judge? http://www.usrarecoininvestments.co...l_dollar.htm Edited by hunter20ga 11/29/2007 3:28 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 3:37 pm it looks as if it has a seam down the middle of the edge that one would expect to find in a cast copy. I am not very familiar with this series of coin but we do have a member here with the nick of swamperbob who actually collects counterfeits and is the most knowledgeable person on counterfeits that I know and I will email him to let him know about this thread and see if he can find time to give you a thorough explanation of why it is real or why it is a fake Report this Post to the Staff
spiritwithsoul4 New Member United States 15 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 3:49 pm Thanks Bryan !! Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6381 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 4:23 pm Hello Spirit, welcome aboard! I'd say fake, for several reasons. 1) Genuine Continental dollars are very rare and expensive ($10,000 would be a very cheap price for a real one). 2) Reproductions have been made for decades and are very common. 3) The grainy surfaces on your dollar are typical for a cast coin. A genuine coin was struck from dies and would have a smooth surface. It is possible a genuine coin could become corroded and develop a granular surface. In that case it might start to resemble your piece. What was the source of your coin? If you got it at a flea market or from an ebay seller in China, it's probably not real! Report this Post to the Staff
biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 4:35 pm Genuine Continental dollars were minted in silver, pewter, and brass. Your pics are too small to see much but the pic of the edge is suspicious it has a cast look. I do know that these are sold as souvenirs at many Revolutionary War sites on the East Coast so the odds of it being a repro are very high. Just because it is not stamped "COPY" is meaningless- the Hobby Protection Act of 1973 did not grandfather older repros and of course most foreign counterfeiting operations ignore the HPA completely. Report this Post to the Staff
laxmaster92 Member United States 1154 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 4:42 pm Its a fake. I got one just like it. My dad bought it from the mint in the the early 70's Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 4:54 pm The lightest genuine silver specimen weighs 23.55 grams, a full gram more than your coin. The heaviest tin(pewter) specimens weigh about 18.5 grams well below the weight of your coin. Your first picture shows a definite casting seam on the edge. The poor die work of the names of the states I picture two is typical of the common cast fakes. In picture three the casting seam from the mis match of the molds is clearly visible above the AL in CONTINENTAL. Picture 4 is a repeat of Picture 1 This piece is most assuredly fake. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 11/29/2007 10:38 pm I will just add my Two Cents here. This is a VERY Common souvenier copy of the Continental dollar. It is cast in a variety of white metals often very high in zinc. Most copies I have handled like this one have a "Greasy" feel. They should not fool anyone because the surfaces are far too irregular (the dies for the originals had ground fields) and there is a clear midline seam from the molds. I have a few that I picked out of junk boxes - in my opinion they have a top value of $1 as a curio. Report this Post to the Staff
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1776 Curency Coin, Fake Or Real?