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Swiss 1921-B 1 Fr Double Die Bb Mint Error Coin

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 Posted 11/30/2007  6:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silver Gorilla to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hellow this is my first post to the Thread.
I got into an argument about this Silver Swiss coin that I found sorting through my coin collection, I was looking at the B mint marks, until I pulled out my 18x mag and saw that it had a B over B, so I called my friend and asked him about his silver swiss coins, if he had seen a Double-B over B or not, And he said there is nothing about a B over B mint mark and said that I'm just seeing things, so he said he's coming over on saturday to bring his swiss collection, and he still insisted on that there is no such thing of a Double-B mint mark and that I was seeing things, well PEOPLE Have a looky and tell me I'm not seeing things. I would allso like to know from anyone thats specialized in World Error Coins to tell me if I do have a major Double Die BB mint error Swiss coin, what would its Value be. Would anyone help me Pleas, I'm Thinking of selling it but I realy dont know where to start.I would like to post The photos that I have but cant becous thay are 145K eatch and this thread only taks 100K so this is my Link to the photos of the 1921-B 1 franc Double Die BB Mint Error.

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 Posted 11/30/2007  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm certainly not an expert in world coin errors, but I would think that this error may be too small to demand a high premium. The error coins that I see selling for big money are the off-planchet, off-strike or multiple strike coins. I have several errors in my collection like die rotations, broadstrikes and defective planchets, but I don't consider these significant enough to increase their value by much.
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 Posted 11/30/2007  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Gorilla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your reply, I would like for you Pleas, to give me an idea of what you think this coin would fall under as an Error.
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 Posted 11/30/2007  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe this is what is known as a "repunched mintmark". It would be classed as a die variety, rather than an error, because the mint intentionally made it look like that.

Die varieties generally don't attract too much of a premium, though in many cases they're not very well studied so no-one knows how "rare" they are. But it's not likely to be unique; thousands or maybe even millions of coins could have been made with this variety, depending on at what stage the repunching took place; I'm not familiar with the procedures and practices at the Bern mint.
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 Posted 11/30/2007  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Gorilla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes I'm very familiar with "re-punched mintage" That was used by the french on there coins, but there's nothing, no Info at all about Swiss re-punched mint-mark, as all my other Swiss Coins do not have re-punched mint-marks on them but only one mint mark, Can you cheek if you can anything about an 1921-B 1 Franc silver coin, The only thing I know is that 3,250,00 silver 1921 silver coins where minted that year.
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It's a nice find for a specialist, I'm not sure how many Swiss RPM specialists there are out there, so that will likely keep the collector value somewhat depressed unless you can find a way to get everyone to look at their 1921 1 Franc pieces to get some idea of the population. I will check mine at least, and get back to you.
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Oh, I never considered re-punched mint marks. Good call Sap. I still don't think it will increase the value too much though.

SG - I checked my 1914 Swiss Franc (the only one with that KM in my collection) and am really impressed with your photographs. That mint mark is small....and not doubled on my coin.
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The B/B looks a lot like a strike double to me. However, I do know that there are NUMEROUS repunched and double punched dies in the Swiss series. They are most common in the lower denominations - especially the 5 Rappen (if you have a 1944 5R nearly every die was doubled so that a single image is scarcer than doubled or tripled) - but they occur in all denominations. I have perhaps 100 different examples at present (none at home and none photographed unfortunately).

The issue of value versus rarity is critical in this case. There are few die variety specialists for Swiss coins (because of genreal lack of interest in the whole series) so these have essentially no premium value. I do not know of any publications on the subject. There was a fellow on ebay who sold a lot of 19 examples (all doubled dies) and he got about $1 each.

I collect them because I like them. It is like the doubled dies in the Panama and Columbia coins. I get them out of junk boxes whenever possible and put them asside. They usually cost a few cents each and if anyone ever publishes on the subject - perhaps I will have a valuable one. In the meantime, I just have fun with them.

I think that is the best approach.




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I thank all of you, especially Tights24 that helped post the photos up here you all are excellent people that have very helpful info, Thank you all, I'm glad to be a part of coin-community, If there is any other information that would be helpful I would really appreciate it.
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How can I find info from the Swiss mint and obtain information on there error coins if they would consider this as an error or not, what do I do to obtain this information from them, any ideas.
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You are more than welcome. I just wish I could help further, but this coin and series is out of my range. I would suggest a simple google search to help you identify more info.

As a side note to the photos, if you "edit" your very first post here, you will see how I made the photos appear directly in your post. If you go to the link where they were located and copy and paste the photos to your desktop, you can then upload them here to your post and compare the entire url to the one I adjusted to remove the unwanted items and attach the image tags.


Good luck in your search for more info.
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