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"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 04/05/2015 7:23 pm
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Nice find thq... Thing is now I really want a certified authentic Annie Oakley shot morgan. They HAVE to be out there... Although I may have to sell a kidney first?
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Thanks celtic, I love history detectives. It sucks me in every time.
On a side note, I now have a kidney and half of a liver for sale
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I would suspect you don't see them because for the most part they are a myth. As mentioned a silver dollar was a LOT of money back then. It would be like you collecting you days pay in cash (paper money) then walking over and tossing it in the fire for ever one you shot. It probably happened very rarely.
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Quote: I would suspect you don't see them because for the most part they are a myth. As mentioned a silver dollar was a LOT of money back then. It would be like you collecting you days pay in cash (paper money) then walking over and tossing it in the fire for ever one you shot. It probably happened very rarely. Thank you Coner101 First off The average cowhand made $3 or less a week right up into the 20th century. The normal work week was 6 days so you are talking about two days pay. Not likely that they would be throwing two days pay in the air and shooting at it. Secondly the average cow hand was a terrible shot. A Colt peacemaker with a Walker style holster and belt enough ammo to practice enough to get any where near good with the piece would have set you back near $50. So that would be about 16 weeks pay. So not very many average cow hands were anywhere near proficient enough to shoot a silver dollar thrown in the air. On the range a revolver was just short of useless, expensive, and heavy. A rifle or shotgun was much more useful and the weapon of choice. Third and most telling I formally worked at one of the largest firearms dealers on the east coast of the USA. I have personally known several collectors of firearms and ammunition of famous exibition shooters. I have seen and handled firearms, ammo, and targets used in the acts. Things like silver dollars and solid bullets were used, but very often the ammo was special shot capsules that made the rifle or revolver act like a shotgun. Look at the posted picture of the coin shot by Annie Oakly it was hit by shot not a solid bullet. Remeber that the Show was put on in a confined area and at very close range. Solid bullets were far too dangerous to use in many situations and shot gave the shooter a better chance of hitting the target. No one wanted to pay money to see a trick shot have a bad day, they HAD to hit the target. And more importantly consider; A .22 long rifle cartridge fired level at 6 feet above level ground will fly just over 5 miles before it hits the ground. What do you think the range is when the muzzle is elivated? The movie gunfighter did not exist in the real life west no where is there a recorded a High Noon style shoot out.
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If you have time watch the PBS video I linked. Several firearms experts claim that Annie Oakley used a .38 Remington not shot. Although it might seem impossible to throw a coin in the air and shoot it with a rifle these same experts claim that Annie could do it consistently. She was that good.
Edited by Celticsoul 04/06/2015 12:24 pm
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 ... also Google Tom Knapp. A modern day Annie Oakley type trick shooter for Benelli... although most people could not do it a special few then and now CAN
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Celtic and cascade, I am aware of both of these things. As I said solid bullets were used. But not always. I have held the ammunition used by several famous exibition shooters of the late 19th and early 20th century and it was not all solid bullets.
Did I hold Annie Oakley's ammo? No. I still doubt she used conventional ammo all the time.
Do I remember the names of the exibition shooters whose firearms and ammo I did see? No, not anymore. This all happened almost thirty years ago and at the time was little more than an "ain't that cool to know?" thing.
I shot competivly for several years and I have shot with and against and known many outstanding marksmen, including world record holders so I do have a better than average understanding of that which I speak.
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Interesting tryna. The clean hole on the disc edge looks drilled but the split/dent in the center looks like a bullet hit. I thought Annie Oakley used a lever action Marlin 22 for most of her trick shooting. http://gunsoftheoldwest.com/2013/03...eys-rimfire/And Wyatt Earp's well-documented OK Corral account is probably the model for movies and TV.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 04/06/2015 3:25 pm
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Funny fact about Ok corral... it was a year or two BEFORE smokeless gunpowder was invented wich would have made that fight like one in thick fog. Nobody could see what they were shooting at after the first volley!
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If you visit Tombstone you'd be surprised how small the corral is. It was not an exhibition of marksmanship.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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I have and you are correct. It's only about the size of a large horse stall or backyard swimming pool. and Yes, marksmanship is out at that range but needing to see where your target shifted in the chaos with so many on both sides in such a small confine had to be CRAZY!
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Very nice. I would have been a contender if I had known about it... funny thing is those are love tokens not charms. I can't believe they weren't auctioned as such
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