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1969 S Double Die?

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 Posted 04/15/2015  9:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JHCMD to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Not sure if this is considered Machine Doubling or double die.Also may seem as if theres doubling on the other side as well.Opinions please.This could be the one.

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 Posted 04/15/2015  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The s is doubled also not a good sign on a pre 1989.
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 Posted 04/15/2015  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you compare thr width of the numbers in the date with a normal 69 S and the doubling and original devices together are the same width as the numbers on the other coin, then you can spend it.In other words md reduces the size of the devices.
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 Posted 04/15/2015  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It happens, better luck next time. I'm assuming CoinHuntingDrew had a normal 69 S to compare it to.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The image is a little fuzzy but it appears to be Strike Doubling aka Machine or Mechanical Doubling. What I can say for sure is that it is not the doubled die. You can learn how to tell the difference here:

[blue]http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...dDieCent.htm[blue]

Also, don't get fooled by the old wives tale that doubling of the Mintmark precludes it as being a doubled die. Genuine 1969-S doubled dies with Strike Doubling on the Mintmark do exist as documented in my article linked above. I cringe when I think about the possibility that some genuine doubled dies may have been returned to circulation just because they had doubling on the Mintmark. At least three genuine pieces I have examined had Strike Doubling on the MM. Two were very minor and one massive (as shown in my article). Good luck in your searches!
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 Posted 04/16/2015  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ken, I'm not actually sure where the mint mark comment came from; that's not what we teach here.

I can see fairly clear reduction of the strokes of the date digits, which would lean me heavily towards MD even if Ken Potter hadn't already said it was.
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Please forgive me Mr. Potter and SsuperDave, for not making myself clear. I didn't mean to preclude it altogether. I read it in the CherryPickers' Guide To Rare Die Varieties, Fifth Edition, Volume 1.
On page 324, while referring to a 1969 S cent, it states," Whenever the date and mintmark both are doubled, odds are that the doubling is Strike Doubling." I am new to varieties and errors. I interpreted that to be not a good sign, not to preclude.

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Dave, I didn't mean to suggest that the comment on the doubling of the Mintmark on a 1969-S came from this forum.

It is a comment that has very often been doled out by specialists for decades, to newcomers to the E/V hobby when they think they have a 1969-S doubled die cent.

Articles providing this faulty information range from Coin World to ANACS. A couple are:

http://www.coinworld.com/insights/c...ll.all.html#,

http://www.anacs.com/(A(uCjAmqF0zwE...kieSupport=1

Sorry if my comments may have been misinterpreted.

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I am new to varieties and errors. I interpreted that to be not a good sign, not to preclude.


You're learning really quickly, and occasionally want to get the information out to be helpful so quickly that it might affect your choice of appropriate phraseology to get the point across precisely.

Trust me. I'm an expert on this. I look at "go off like an explosion" in the mirror every day.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I will try to make myself very clear. Do you really think I am learning "really quickly"? You saw my tape lamination last night. I felt like an idiot. lol
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Yes I will try to make myself very clear. Do you really think I am learning "really quickly"? You saw my tape lamination last night. I felt like an idiot. lol

CoinMasters,

If you don't ask, you won't learn. There is no such thing as a idiotic question except perhaps one that is not asked (with obvious exceptions).
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The nice thing about a forum is that when you receive an answer, hundreds who read that thread benefit as well. They may have thought: "I was wondering what that was and now I know." So ask questions. Better to know for sure rather than assume.
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