Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors 300,000 items to help build your collection! Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsRoyal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

APCGS Comparison With PCGS

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 95 / Views: 20,076Next Topic
Page: of 7
Valued Member
Cockatoo_coins's Avatar
Australia
56 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  12:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cockatoo_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've noticed a fair bit has been posted on these guys before and always ends badly lol but would just like to share a few comparisons I've made for the newbies that I constantly see defending them (i was bored so wanted to see exactly what they were like in the flesh and whats better than using them and wasting a bit of money)
1. I sent 2 small submissions of coins to APCGS for grading at different times (a few months apart with no problem coins), ranged from EF through to Gem UNC.
Initial results showed that they undergraded the mint state coins on both occasions (appeared to mistake light toning for an issue and dropped the grade) and have an issue grading anything above MS64 in predecimals.
Although they say that they grade to aussie standards under MS it appeared to vary quite a bit between the two submissions, some in the first submission that received AU58 were the same as some that were given EF45 on the next run ect.
2. So after being a bit concerned about the consistency I then cracked out those coins and sent them off to PCGS for their final home.
Majority of their EF45 through to AU50 returned results of Au50-55 from the states which is reasonably inline with their statements. I did find a few way out though, a few of APCGS AU58's returning AU55 from the states aswell as a couple coming back MS62 (by their statements and AU55 should have been an EF45 so only 4 grades out :S) which means its pretty much a gamble if you are going to buy anything in this range.
As for mint state they had no consistency there either, MS62's from them came back as MS65's MS64's came back MS63's.
So you may end up supporting the Aussie local who will slab your coins cheap and quickly but PLEASE bear in mind they are that price for a very good reason and the above test outlines that pretty well.
Valued Member
PNC king's Avatar
Australia
444 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNC king to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
great post cockatoo coins , you should also mention that there is no guarrantee with APCGS with either grade or authenticity , so if a APCGS coin proves to be fake you are left holding a useless coin with no way or getting your money back
Valued Member
Australia
163 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought this in an APCGS AU50 holder.

Obverse
APCGS-Comparison-With-PCGS

Reverse
APCGS-Comparison-With-PCGS
Pillar of the Community
wwwww's Avatar
Australia
541 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, looks fresh from a roll. APCGS was probably confused by the weak reverse strike.
Valued Member
PNC king's Avatar
Australia
444 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNC king to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very scary rbaret very scary indeed , another nail in the coffin for APCGS.
Valued Member
Australia
75 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I rest my case your honour.
That 1961 florin is a clear unc.
Edited by agent86
04/16/2015 4:34 pm
Valued Member
tella's Avatar
Australia
102 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Sorry guys, I can't agree with you on this coin. At best PCGS would grade this coin at AU58, look at the flat spot on her hair which is located lower than her reed

APCGS-Comparison-With-PCGS
Valued Member
tella's Avatar
Australia
102 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Decimal coins cockatoo?
Valued Member
Australia
75 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That just proves you cannot grade Shane
Valued Member
tella's Avatar
Australia
102 Posts
 Posted 04/16/2015  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Here's one they done recently, scary price

APCGS-Comparison-With-PCGS

APCGS-Comparison-With-PCGS
Pillar of the Community
wwwww's Avatar
Australia
541 Posts
 Posted 04/17/2015  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tella - that's how the Eliz II portrait looks, here's a proof strike for your reference.

APCGS-Comparison-With-PCGS
Edited by wwwww
04/17/2015 12:06 am
Valued Member
Australia
157 Posts
 Posted 04/17/2015  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellyflorin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Odear yes the 1961 florin is a unc , my guess a ms63 , as for the 1915 florin imo it looks like it's had a clean with acetone to try and remove pvc residue , some pvc still remains , most likely it's had a dipping too . Still a very nice coin tho sadly PCGS would reject
Valued Member
tella's Avatar
Australia
102 Posts
 Posted 04/17/2015  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess would be the darker bits on the coin would be maybe the lens, I would think the coin would look the same all over as what it looks like through the word Florin. What I have read, it's already submitted at the next Roxburys auction. I'm guessing somewhere in the 15-20k area
Edited by tella
04/17/2015 12:49 am
Valued Member
tella's Avatar
Australia
102 Posts
 Posted 04/17/2015  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@PNC, something I found interesting http://apcgs.com.au/apcgs-guarantee/
Valued Member
PNC king's Avatar
Australia
444 Posts
 Posted 04/17/2015  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNC king to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i reckon we get a posse together and run APCGS out of town
Valued Member
Cockatoo_coins's Avatar
Australia
56 Posts
 Posted 04/17/2015  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cockatoo_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was done with mainly predecimals with a couple of decimals Tella.
  Previous TopicReplies: 95 / Views: 20,076Next Topic
Page: of 7

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.4 seconds to rattle this change. Forums