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 Posted 04/24/2015  6:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, new to stacking, bought 30 oz of sunshine mint silver bars for 21 spot price (lol... lack of research and eagerness)

So I have about 1k in cash left and was wondering whats the better option? stack silver (because it seems like silver is gonna be down for a bit) or put it in the bank on a mutual fund.. this is for retirement which wont be for about 58 years from now

(Keep in mind this is CAD)
opinions? thanks :)
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 Posted 04/24/2015  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would hold it as cash at the moment.

I would open a brokerage account. $1000 is plenty. Again, I would hold it as cash in my brokerage account.

Find and follow a couple of stocks and don't buy them.

Wait for a good buying opportunity. Buy and hold for the most part unless the reason for your investment changes.


I like cigarette companies and guns right now. PM / MO are Marlboro's and RGR is Ruger, my gun stock of choice.

Not investment advice, do your own diligence.

Wait for a better buying opportunity than now. I loved RGR in the teens and even into the thirties, in the fifties like it is now though I wouldn't buy any shares outside of dividend reinvestment.
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 Posted 04/24/2015  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bertensgrad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would only buy silver right now if you are collecting. Investment wise you on the dodgy side of a cycle it might go up or down but like now it looks quasi-stable but threatens down.

Seems like a good time for me however to buy while costs are low. I'm just using now to stock up on collections I couldn't afford before like half dollars. It's like buying jewelry for me. Could I sell it and make money later probally but I only got it cause it looks pretty and entertains me. I have to drop out when it rises.

A good way to park money to create earnings it is not. The only way to be pretty sure of a profit is to buy below retail from the public and then sell at retail quickly.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason why I liked the idea of buying silver.. Is because I'm 17 and an impulse spender... And I love spending so spending money on something shiny appeals to me.. I'm looking to invest in silver and maybe gold for when the price goes up and sell it.. Is this a good idea? Or should I put it in the bank.. I notice thay a lot of you guys are collectors but need Two Cents before I spend my 1k stupidly...

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 Posted 04/25/2015  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bertensgrad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seeing that you are a teen it doesn't matter that much but I say bank to save it for college. If you have to spend it on something tangible silver is a lot better then girls :).

If you going to hold it for fifty years I say put it in stocks now, split it up between companies that you know will still going for the long term. A mutual fund doesn't have as much growth potiental it's better when you are closer to retirement like ten years.

Silver is a commodity and right now it's rocky. If you jump in with a large amount of cash I would wait a little to see how it settles. Then get it in ways with the lowest premium available. Bars are nice for some people but I like junk us silver coins. It gives you a little bit of a hedge on your bet. Silver is like gambling a little more then most other investments.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are an impulse spender and not a saver naturally, I definitely recommend buying silver and gold and specifically coins.

You get the satisfaction of spending.

You get the satisfaction of saving.

You get the satisfaction of investing.

You get the satisfaction of collecting.


When investing you need to buy right and sell right.

In purchasing coins, it is slightly difficult to evaluate the options at the coin store. Generics and Eagles are quoted in a $/oz figure and straight forward. Bargain bin junk silver and pre 1933 US gold are not in round figures weight wise so it is difficult. Generally the junk silver is quoted at 13 times face value or whatever depending on the price of silver that day. So $1 of junk silver coins, say 2 Franklin halves, would cost you $13 out the door. Gold is just quoted by the coin, but again not in a $/oz figure for comparison so you can buy right.

I use this chart I made to help with that decision.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...&single=true


As for investing though, just because you are a teen and only have $1000 CAD, you should not rule out stocks as an option. Not sure about being in Canada, but I have helped kids get set up with stocks with sharebuilder which is now part of Capital One.

https://www.sharebuilder.com/

Really good service for beginner investors. You can even buy a fraction of a share if you really want a company that is say $500 a share but only want to allocate $250 to it. You are paying a larger fee as a percentage that way, but you can. They even let you invest at an automatic interval that you set up for something like $4 a trade. You can just drip in $25 - $50 a paycheck and watch your account grow.

You would need your parents help and you would also need to trust your parents with having access to your money while you are still a minor, but those are minor hurdles generally.

Stocks with dividends are a great way to see your money grow instead of being inflated away.
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Go look and see what compound interest will do to that $1000 in 50 years - interest rates are more certain to rise than any "precious" tangible - and then do the right thing with that $1k and forget you ever had it. Anything else is gambling with your future at the age when you're best able to secure it by investing for the long term now. Wish I'd had this wisdom when I was your age - at my age (55) I'd already be set.

Gamble on shiny things when you're learned enough to gamble prudently.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Open an account at a place like a stock broker place. You've got time so just look into some possible investments. For now don't buy anything but just start checking them all out. For example AT&T has been paying dividends since about the late 1800's. Possibly look into buying a stock like that and watch it grow. Coins, Silver, Gold, etc. are just not a trustworthy investment.
OR start saving and buy a 1957 Chevy Convertible.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Getting parents involved is not something I want to do... I was considering a drip account, but what are the chances of a crash in the next 50 years and waving all of my money goodbye.. I like the idea of investing in coke but since I'min Canada I've read that there are heavy fees in doing so, complicated forms and annoying tax documents to clear up..
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 Posted 04/25/2015  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tbolts10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd recommend silver. I have an investment account that I get 0 satisfaction from, but I certainly get satisfaction from buying silver. I look at my silver stack as savings, since the money I spend on silver is money that I otherwise would have spent of stupid things that I don't need and would be worth nothing in the future. If silver never goes up, I don't really care because to me any amount is more than I would have had otherwise. The potential for a price increase is just a bonus. I've drained my stock account twice (once to buy a boat and once to by a camaro ss), but I will never sell my silver because it gives me as much satisfaction as something such as these things. Just my opinion on the matter!
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If you are looking at investing and growth, and all you have is $1000, I'd look into the mutual funds. Probably an annual fee fund, not a commission based one, and there are many different funds so you will need to do some research to find the right one for you. As they say it takes money to make money and $1k isn't much to work with by itself. But in a mutual fund it is pooled with everyone elses money and that allows for more options, more diversification and greater growth.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of good suggestions above. 90% silver is always fun. You get the "silver" part, and get to collect coins at the same time, and maybe start filling some books. The only part I didn't like about what you said was "impulsive." But heck, we were all young once, and hopefully the impulsiveness will fade over time. At least you had the guts to admit it. Suggestion....do a little more research before your next buy.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking back to when I was 17 and 1K would've been a heckuva lot of money to put anywhere without a lot of research and assurance. I think when it comes to investing there are a lot of different opinions and ideas and since you're so young there will be a lot of people that will want to give you their opinion thinking that they're really being helpful and in hopes that you will be very successful.

What superdave said was pretty sage advice as it is very conservative and safe.

Building wealth will NOT happen instantaneously, it's a pretty long drawn out process. While there are movies and media sources that site examples of people that risk it all and reap the rewards in a short period of time.... (that is more like gambling) and true wealth building is more allegorical to the story of the tortise and the hare (slow and steady my friend).

You're very young and there's still a lot of expenses that you may have to incur including:
1) House / home
2) Wedding
3) vehicle / transportation for gainful employment
4) travel

My advice.. I would look for sources of investment that guarantee a rate of return above and beyond that of a typical savings account. In your situation I would be a big fan of GIC's, term deposits, or savings bonds. Rolling them over after they mature and taking advantage of compounding the interest.

For stocks I think you may want to wait until you have 5 - 10K to work with a stable income and few LARGE purchases upcomming or that aren't planned/unexpected.

With respect to silver or gold... and trust me nobody probably likes 'em more than me.. but the best advice I have ever been told when it comes to investing, coaching or anything else for that matter... "You need to soar with the eagles not chase the turkeys"...

For the past 3 years silver and gold have been falling from all time "highs"... Right now both are chopping in a range but each do not seem like anyone knows if they're going up down or sideways.

I would avoid both silver and gold as investment vehicles (they're usually a conservative investment against inflation which has been negligible for almost the past 5 years and really should only make up a maximum of 5-10% of your total investment portfolio) until you have built up a substantial amount of wealth and are actually planning your "exit strategy" from the work place.

Good luck... I would encourage you to read up a lot on investing and talk to as many people as possible including bankers and financial planners and perhaps reading a book or two on financial planning.

Just remember that with free advice you often get what you pay for!

Best wishes

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 Posted 04/25/2015  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JoggingLiberty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a lot of money that would normally be a "savings" into silver. I think it's a good idea...but not bars/rounds for me.. do research and do what you think is right. Don't believe anyone when they say they have the answer because nobody knows what will happen tomorrow.
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Quote:
Don't believe anyone when they say they have the answer because nobody knows what will happen tomorrow.


Which is a pretty good reason to put money with this long a term of interest into the least-volatile alternatives.
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 Posted 04/25/2015  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I spent 730$ in silver for 30oz.. Haha so I'm left with 1K, but this is money I gained from selling my business a few weeks ago.. So I'm thinking about investing in a Drip, on a Canadian bank.. I live in one of the most expensive places to live in the world so I need to be thinking about that stuff one day.. Hopefully soon.. But I agree it takes money to make money.. Hard at 17
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