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Found! 1652 Noe 1 Pine Tree Schilling... Need Advice

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I found a 1652 twelve pence while metal detecting in Massachusetts. For the age, it appears to be in pretty decent shape. Of course, I am wondering how to determine the value and am looking for suggestions on what to do with it?

Found!-1652-Noe-1-Pine-Tree-Schilling...-Need-Advice
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Found!-1652-Noe-1-Pine-Tree-Schilling...-Need-Advice
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That is a GREAT find. What NOT to do with it -- DO NOT CLEAN IT! Assuming it is real, it should be sent to a TPG for authenticating. I will let the others chime in as to their opinion regarding authenticity. Clearer pictures would help as well as a picture of the edge.

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to ccf & what an entrance! You're going to make a few people here who specialize in old colnials quite happy. Wait until they chime in before you do a thing. Cool find!
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First off, congratulations! That's why I hate you East coast guys :p
Would not find something like that in Cali!

I think its a perfect candidate for conservation. I'd look into it.
Based on your pictures, you can easily have an XF details coin here.
4 figures at least.
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No, in California you just find cans full of gold coins!
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So we're quite comfortable with the authenticity of this one?
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It will be details ED, but I see no reason for it not to be authentic. The OP puts it as a NOE-1 so I presume he has posted on other boards for this opinion.


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Looks good to me from what I can make out.

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This is what coin detecting is all about !
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I bought a detector but found it quite boring solo. Maybe if I find a partner it will be a more entertaining endevor? ...Seriously though bjval713 roll with the adrenaline train while it lasts and enjoy the ride. And be sure to stick around and show us your future finds :)
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Nice!! I do a little metal detecting, I started looking for colonial coins last year and have found some coins including a 1655-1658 French Liard, a 1696 british Halfpenny, a 1723 Wood's Hibernia, a couple King George II Coppers and some other coins including two AU Details 1803 Large Cents.

Very nice, it makes my all finds look like zinc pennies :)
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Nice find! It has diagnostics of Noe-1 and I am almost but not fully convinced it is what it appears to be, and not a copy. I do wonder about that extra dot below the denomination and some spots appear to be fuzzy, but that could be the picture focus. We must leave the call to experts who have it in hand and can do things like weigh it. If given a Fine "details" grade for comparison the Whitman Encyclopedia (which features a Noe-1 on the cover) says $700 in G-4 (no problems) and $2300 in F-12. It is worth a trip to a TPG for validation. My guess is that it lay near or under a road, subject to long term exposure to oil. They say Noe-1 is the quintessential American colonial coin. It would be hard to do better.
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How many were made and what are the survival estimates? If anyone knows, I'm quite curious.
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At the moment I don't have any estimates as to how many were made, in the Kendall collection it is estimates as being an R-2 so about 600 to 1000 around.
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An incredible and exciting find for sue. Congratulations to the finder.
It seems to have lain in pretty aggressive soil, judging from what seems to be (from the photos) some edge chipping.
The Bowers Encyclopedia describes the rarity of Noe-1 as U.R.S 11 with 500 to 999 known, one of the most common Pine Tree Shilling. I have never seen a reference to the number originally minted.
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