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1989-P Washington Is This A Die Chip Or PMD?

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I noticed this when I was going through my quarters before I put them in my change jar and noticed this one. It has a chip on the head that looks like it is either PMD or a die chip but if this is PMD I haven't noticed any raised areas to indicate this was chipped out manually. The whole heads side shows any signs of chipping period other than the missing area of clad in which the edges of the chipped area are all smooth.

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if this was PMD what would have caused it?
And I know the Mint Mark device is also a die chip artifact but would a die chip also be the cause of the damage to Washingtons head?
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If the area is raised it should be a die chip. A chip in the die means when it stamps the planchet the planchet metal will fill that hole in the die. There isn't much of a way to do this post mint.

If the area is lowered or dented it could be struck through something or more often post mint damage. When something is in between the die and the planchet the die pushed the object into the planchet causing the dent. But in PMD anything could have happened to the once fine coin.
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I think it is just a damaged coin.
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Is it also possible that after 26 years of circulation any raised area in the chip could have worn down smooth? here are some other pics I'm trying the best I can with the photographic equipment that I have and can't afford high end expensive cameras.

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Mikeymus, I have heard you mention inexpensive camera=bad pics more than once. I too, have an inexpensive camera. What you need is a diffused lighting box. It allows your lense to get close to the coin without "glare back".

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The glass (from a picture frame) is set on a 45 degree angle. A flashlight shines horizontally on the underside of the glass, you shoot from above. I have now lined the interior of the box with a dark cloth for further diffusion.
I shot this close-up.

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If you lack carpentry skills you can make it from a nickel box.

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Nice contraption CM. I think I will try that. I usually clip a light to my microscope and put a nickle wrapper as the defuser when taking close up pics.
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I also read something about lamination errors today is it possible this is a lamination error instead?
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Is that area raised upwards or incuse? If it were a die chip it would be raised as Blue Solo mentioned. If so it would be raised upward from the gap in the dies interior devices. Some die chips get very large.
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But judging by the color, it might be something else going on with your quarter?
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coop is it also possible this could be a lamination error instead of a die chip.
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If it were, the color would be copper colored if it was a lamination below the silver line. With the dark gray/brown, it might be a stain/damage to the coin if it is incuse?
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coop as far as I can tell it can be either of the 3 die chip PMD or lamination error. If it was a dent from someone hitting it with something like a low spot surrounding the artifact. And if it was chipped out with say a metal nail or similar device you would have a raised surface like the die chip but the evidence of both would have probably disappeared after almost 30 years of circulation.

Though if this was a strike through what object could have caused and isn't the missing area the same color as the 1965 strike through error I posted a couple days ago?
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