1878 To 1903 Morgan Coins

Welcome to Coin Community, Rizwanahmed84. It's impossible to make a perfectly informed decision regarding these coins from these images, but experience compels me to say that it's a near-certainty that they're both fakes. I can't even tell what the mint marks are, but I'm willing to bet that they're S's. That would make them the key coins in the Morgan series, worth thousands of dollars each, and counterfeits far outnumber the fakes in the market by at least 10:1 and maybe 100:1.

The only other possible mint marks for that year are O and CC, and they're plainly not the latter. Further, with the second coin there is neither an O or an S with the mint mark that low, nor any 1893 (or any Morgan, for that matter) with the date that far to the right. The second one is conclusively counterfeit, and even though the first image is distorted, I can still see the date is almost certainly the same.

I'm sorry to have to tell you this.

Here.. so you guys don't have to tilt your heads.

Wow. That obverse is some piece of work, xshift.

I can't completely trust the result, knowing the process, though. Denticles won't be perfectly correct, nor will things like the shape and distance between lettering and rim for instance.

If it's close, the date is not a sure argument against because of serifs not being clear and the potential for slight distortion. It's not completely wide of the single known date position for 1893-S, not to a numismatic standard. The reverse has what seems to be the correct C3a configuration, and the mintmark although appearing far too large is not inconsistent with the VAM-1 location.

I know it's a fake, but what I know isn't proof, and I'm drilling down and being equivocal to make a point: Attribution is jury duty. Do not speak with certainty unless you'd vote to convict on the same information, and I'm not_quite ready to convict here.

I know it's fake. With the second as an example, the soft areas and mint mark on the reverse and all that, there isn't a doubt in my mind that there's enough circumstantial evidence. But you shouldn't convict on circumstantial evidence.

Trouble is, 1893S, I know what it took xshift to turn a grossly angled image into one that looks round again. I cannot trust the result to that degree. The spatial relationships are too critical.

Hi, I just tried the magnet and all of them started to stick with it except for few, so thank u guys for the input

Look fake probably Chinese knock offs...if you had a legitimate 1893 s the key to the whole series you'd have a few grand minimum....too bad it'd be a great find

I owned a 1893-S Morgan and I can also say with certainty that the images you have appear to be fakes. I have seen a number of fakes when it comes to 1893-S and 1895 dollars. The dates are usually a really good give away as for they are usually wrong in attributes to a authentic 1893-S.

The most creative of fakes I have ever seen for the 1893-S was an 1898-S that the 8 was tooled to look like a 3. A similar fake to this date alteration of a real coin can also be found with 1914-D Pennies were a 1944-D was tooled to make the 4 into a 1, however an educated collector and just about any dealer out there would spot the drastic obverse and reverse die differences between a 1914-D and a 1944-D that was tooled to look like a 1914-D no matter how real the date appears to be tricked out.

There are so many ways fake coins are made to look real. Some times a very skilled counterfeiter can make a coin look authentic that is fake. Best example of this was a guy who bought a 1913-S Type II Buffalo nickel and paid a good amount for it, even though it was a bargain due to grade. Later he found out that the nickel had been drilled at the rim and a tool was used to lift the metal and form an S below FIVE CENTS to an authentic Philadelphia nickel. The counterfeiter filled/plugged the hole in the rim and sold it in a 2x2 as a 1913-S Type II Nickel. The customer of the coin didnt bother to examine to see whether it was altered or not and the rim was smoothed over to where you would really have to examine it closely to see it had been altered to add an S mint mark. He was out a few hundred dollars buying the fake.

When it comes to fakes... many of us have accidentally bought fakes. I got suckered into a California 50 cent gold piece when I was a kid in trade of my real silver dollar. We learn from them. I am hoping that you didnt spend much on these fakes. The 1893-S morgans are in the thousands of dollars for even an AG coin. I sold an authentic one in an ANACS slab for $3150 that was VF Details Net F-15 due to some light rim damage.