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No, not even close. Deception, like fraud, requires intent. As stated a properly dipped coin is undetectable so unless the seller dipped it himself, there is no deception I did say 'sold as original' and I measured my words with care. If the seller speaks to the quality of luster, as in 'original' in his coin description, and it sells - the fact that he has a pocket full of pesos and the buyer is happy is both incidental and irrelevant to my point. Neal was correct in his stating that the graders do mostly US coins, and e.g. Morgan dollar grading precision cannot be closely aligned with Australian pre-decimal silver grading in terms of experience and quantity. |
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People can be deceived in many ways including by sellers ignorance and carelessness
Sorry but that's rubbish. If I have no clue it's been dipped I did not deceive you. Thats like saying I didn't know that murder was illegal so I'm going to kill you and it will be ok to do so .The point being that ignorance of the law does't make it legal or ok .The same applies to selling coins if you're an honest person with a conscience.Ignorance is not justification Edited by stevo1962
12/06/2018 7:16 pm
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Forum Dad
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Thats like saying I didn't know that murder was illegal so I'm going to kill you and it will be ok to do so. Another fan of reductio ad absurdum I see. No it's no where near "like" murder, It's exactly like selling a dipped coin that you couldn't tell was dipped..... Geez Louise, I really hope you realize how ridiculous that is.. |
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Another fan of reductio ad absurdum I see. No it's no where near "like" murder, It's exactly like selling a dipped coin that you couldn't tell was dipped..... Geez Louise, I really hope you realize how ridiculous that is.. just saying ignorance is no excuse and if you deal in coins it is something you should be aware of unless you don't care Edited by stevo1962
12/06/2018 8:02 pm
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Forum Dad
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Maybe all sellers of coins should have to pass your class on spotting properly done dipping before they're allowed to sell.
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Pillar of the Community
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Gotta love the banter between coin "experts" and their opinions
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Bobby, they don't need a class on spotting dipping, they just need to have class and not deceive (AKA Lie) by making statements that they not only cannot back up but should have a good reason to suspect. I "KNOW" a coin is original if it comes from a mint roll, I "suspect" an old coin has been dipped if it is an atypical tone free brilliance. Therefore I wouldn't call any coin that I was trying to sell as undipped unless I was either certain (rolled coins) or confident (that rich toning that takes decades to develop). I have purchased many times from sellers who are honest and from those who I'm confident have lied I don't buy or bid for their wares. As for sellers who seem to have lots of shiny coins and not many (or any) toned coins I take the odds that they have been dipped even if the seller claims otherwise.
And most coins that have been "properly" dipped still show it even when they have been slabbed. They look great but when put along another then the little differences become more obvious. I don't hate the properly dipped coins but I prefer the never dipped 99% of the time.
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coins that have been "properly" dipped still show it even when they have been slabbed. They look great Basebal21 Quote:
Dipping isn't cleaning nor can you tell when it's done properly. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves and just guessing based off of color.  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   One dipped, one not. Who could ever possibly tell the difference? |
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Terrible terrible example. The second coin doesn't even have real life pictures. The white balance is way off.
Dipping cannot be detected on high grade coins when done properly, it really is that simple
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Terrible terrible example. The second coin doesn't even have real life pictures. The white balance is way off   Here is a real life picture of the second coin. ^^ That coin although it has obverse damage (most pearls absent) was sold by Heritage auctions 11 years ago for over USD8,000 I suspect Heritage know what color temperature means. Anyhow: Below is an image of the first coin AU55 by PCGS. I have altered the appearance with Adobe Photoshop.  Does that look more natural? Here are the reverses side by side looking as natural as Photoshop 2014 allows:  Left AU55 PCGS | Right MS63 PCGS Some might say the AU55 was overdone a bit and they might be right. Both coins are in my opinion misgraded, but maybe I'm just dippy.  The AU55 is on ebay now 401647513294 and bidding is at a few hundred bucks, which is okay - it's a nice coin. Maybe I'll buy it  # |
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The AU55 1915 shilling auction closed at aud838 (usd604)
The 1915h minted at the now demolished Birmingham mint is worth more but both are hard to find in decent grades.
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