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1947 Blunt Penny

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Found this on my 1947 "blunt 7" penny...

I think it is Machine Doubling where the die or the coin shifted when striking anyways....

Any info appreciated



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Yep, machine damage.
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Nice! Zoell R70C. A scarcer one.
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Looking in the 3rd edition of Hans Zoell's book(1965 part1), it shows the shifted "n" as R70r(shift to n)...

What is the R70C variety?
Does it show it in a later book?
If so, which one?
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The different catalogues have different ones listed. 2nd Edition 1962 R70c says "shift entry legend". The picture is a dead ringer.



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although interesting it is not technically a variety as it wasn't something on the die...
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This is Strike Doubling aka Machine or Mechanical Doubling. A lot of the old time variety books listed these as varieties though they were not. Technically, this is a damaged die though few count this form of doubling against the grade.
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Hi folks - new to the Canadian forums, but I see folks referencing a book noted at the CaC website. I have a pointed and a blunt but at with the OP's blunt, the small maple leaf to the right of the 7 is not present. I note that there are many minor varieties, but I don't note any with the mention of a missing little maple leaf. Here's a picture of my specimens. Any commentary is appreciated!

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Rackster-
Not sure if I'm missing your point,
but the 47 blunt 7 with no leaf is the regular business strike cent.
The 47 leaf came in two varieties, a blunt 7 and a pointed 7.
Value wise, all 3 varieties are about the same.
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"The 1947 Maple Leaf refers to a set of Canadian coins dated 1947 which bear a tiny maple leaf following the date to denote that they were actually minted in 1948. Prior to 1948, the obverse legend surrounding the bust of George VI on Canadian coins read "GEORGIVS VI D:G:REX ET IND:IMP" ("George VI By the Grace of God, King and Emperor of India"). With India gaining independence from the United Kingdom in 1947, the legend had to be modified for the 1948 coins to remove "ET IND:IMP", and as the Royal Canadian Mint waited for the modified matrices and punches from The Royal Mint in London, demand for new coinage rose. To satisfy this demand, the RCM struck coins using the 1947 dies with the leaf added to signify the incorrect date. Normal 1948 coins were minted and issued once the modified matrices and punches arrived"
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Folks - thanks for the responses (and what an interesting history lesson)! I recently bought the Whitman folders and they have spots for the three 1947 varieties. They list 1947, 1947 blunt, 1947 pointed. Since blunts came with and without the little maple leaf, am I correct to assume that the blunt w/o maple leaf should be in the 1947 slot as opposed to the 1947 blunt slot?
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If you take a close look at the Maple Leaf on these cents (and I'm sure other denominations) you'll find they vary in location and can also be found at least in one case that I can remember, repunched. This is exactly like the Mintmarks punched into US coin dies up until 1990 when all denominations had the MMs entered into the master tools, eventually at the epoxy stage (proof coins sooner). There is one doubled die reverse that can be found with and without Maple Leaf indicating that it was a die that was already in use in 1947 that was extended for use in 1948 as a ML (as were probably many of the dies).
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