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English Penny Sized Copper Coins

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I'm starting to like large copper coins after getting a few English pennies then finding out they had New Zealand and Australian twins and I want a type set. How many English speaking countries had similar sized copper coins to a 31 mm large penny?

I noticed that France made a similar size copper coin too. Is there any others? I prefer to keep it to 31 mm coins with some exceptions for cool looking half pennies and canadian large cents.

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No English counties issued coins, though some private individuals or businesses issued tokens with county names.

In addition to French 10 centimes, look also at Argentina 2 centavos 1882-96,Belgium 10 centimes,
Greece 10 lepta 1869-1882, Italian 10 centesimi,Spain 8 maravedis 1801-1833, Spain 5 centimos 1866-68, Spain 10 centimos 1870-79 and other British colonies.

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I'm so sorry I had a typo from using my phone. I meant English speaking countries not English counties :)
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Refer to a Krause catalog, looking for pennies of British and it's Commonwealth countries. A very old and outdated copy of Krause bought cheaply, is good enough for this.
Types sets can be built up using a range of denominations from halfpenny to crown.

I have a type set of about 40 bronze pennies of Britain and it's Commonwealth countries.
Interesting extensions to this collection comprise British pure copper pennies of the 19th century of even larger module, and silver pennies that extend back over a thousand years, and include Maundy silver pennies as well. I have a few of these.

I also have a type set of florins of Britain and it's Commonwealth countries, comprising over forty silver examples and also perhaps twice that many in cupronickel of latter dates. It took me about 15 years to build the set. Most of them came from dealers' junk bins, but that was as long as thirty years ago.

Australia still issues low mintage cupronickel commemorative Twenty Cent coins (which replaced the Florin of the same module and face value) into current circulation. That keeps my florin / Twenty Cent collection active.
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Canada had large pennies from 1858 to 1920 in 1920 we issued both large and small cents ( I am not sure why though)
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The reason for the change from large to small cents was threefold. First to bring the coinage more into line with US coinage size wise.Second to save money on copper which had risen in price and third the First World War had cost all countries huge sums and costs needed to be cut to help pay for it. Eliminating the five cent silver followed within 18 months and the sterling silver standard for silver coinage ended January 1 st 1920 when the silver coins were debased to 80 per cent.. Hope this helps.
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I am writing from memory so forgive any slipups.

I too am interested in what I call 'Big Bronze Coins'. Of course they're not all bronze, but it's a good name.

Like you I first noticed the UK pennies. Collecting one of each monarch, including the different styles of Victoria, is a good little set. You can collect pennies, half pennies, or farthings going back a few hundred years.

Then I noticed similar sized coins from UK territories: South Africa, Australia, New Zealand come to mind as being the exact same size as the UK pennies. Also the nearby entities of Jersey, Guernsey, and (maybe?) Isle of Man.

Then there are some that are almost but not quite the same. Like the 2C from British Caribbean Territories, holed coins from British East or West Africa, and the large Canadian pennies like you said.

Then if you want to leave the UK sphere altogether there are several more countries. Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Romania, Middle Eastern countries, etc...

Now that I think about it, it seems like in the period 1850-early1900s most areas of the world had big bronze coins. It is a throwback to the time when even the low value token coinage had to be substantial.

My most unique junkbox big bronze coin was from the 1800s Sultanate of Brunei.

If you want a list of UK coins fitting very specific criteria someone with more encyclopedic knowledge may provide a list. If you start making exceptions and open up your criteria a little wider I think you'll find a large amount of coins.

Just rambling a bit but hope that helps.

-wheatiefan



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How many English speaking countries had similar sized copper coins to a 31 mm large penny?

The following British colonies and dominions issued 1 penny coins in the 20th century:

Australia, British West Africa, Fiji, Gambia, Ghana, Great Britain, Guernsey, Ireland, Jamaica, Jersey, Malawi, New Guinea, New Zealand, Nigeria, Rhodesia & Nyasaland, South Africa, Southern Rhodesia and Zambia.

Of these, only some are "large penny-sized bronze coins": Australia, Great Britain, Guernsey, Ireland, Jersey, New Zealand, South Africa. The coins from Guernsey and Jersey are denominated in local currency units ("8 doubles" and "1/12 of a shilling"). The African and Pacific Islands coins are smaller and/or holed. The Jamaican ones were made of cupronickel for cultural reasons.

Finally, there are coins from non-sterling currencies that are similar in size to the penny. The East Caribbean 2 cents is an excellent example. Another is the Cyprus piastre, worth 1/9th of a shilling and made of bronze up to 1931. Slightly smaller, the 1 cent coins from Straits Settlements, Hong Kong, British Honduras/Belize, Canada and Newfoundland might also be of interest. The British-Indian half-anna was a large copper coin that was discontinued for circulation in 1877, though some of the princely states continued to issue the denomination as a large copper coin (such as Hyderabad).

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I noticed that France made a similar size copper coin too. Is there any others? I prefer to keep it to 31 mm coins with some exceptions for cool looking half pennies and canadian large cents.

Pre-WWI France was the lead country of the Latin Monetary Union, an early attempt at making a Europe-wide interchangeable currency system. The gold and silver coins of Union countries were all of the same size and fineness, but the base-metal coins were non-standardized and each country was free to go their own way. Some closely followed the French base-metal size ratios, however, including Spain, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia.

If giant bronzes are your thing, two countries that really went for it (particularly in the 1800s) are Brazil and Russia. Pre-1855 Sweden also has some impressive copper coins - and that's not even including the platmynt (plate-money), giant copper slab-ingot-coins made back in the 1600s.
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Pre-1855 Sweden also has some impressive copper coins


In fact, we also had penny-sized 5 öre coins up until 1873 when the krona was introduced. Design wise, they are very similar if not identical to the Italian 10 centesimi coins.

For other impressive copper coins I'd recommend Uruguay with their early copper coins.
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The bronze 2-mils coins issued by Palestine from 1927-47 are nearly penny size.

One of my favourite penny-size coins is the Argentinian 2-centavos from the 1880s and 1890s.
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For large bronze / copper / brass coins, my favorites are from ancient times.
There are however, the large Russian copper 5 Kopecs, and the British copper 'cartwheel' twopences of the late 18th Century.
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Another quite big fairly modern bronze coin is the Jordanian 10-fils.
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I started a collection of 19th-20th century large (>25mm) cent/penny coins and large (>21mm) half cent/half penny coins. Here's the list I am using, but I am open to knowing about any additions! Most (all?) are British empire or related coins.


Country

penny/cent
Australia 1911-1964
Barbados 1788-1792
Bermuda 1793
British New Guinea 1936-1944
British North Borneo 1882-1907, 1921, 1935, 1938, 1941
British West Africa 1907-1958
Brunei/Malay Peninsula AH1304 (1887)
Canada 1858-1920
East Caribbean 1955-1965
Fiji 1934-1968
Ghana 1958
Great Britain 1797-1970
Hong Kong 1862-1926
Ireland Republic 1731, 1789, 1799, 1928-1968
Isle of Man 1709-1859
Jamaica 1869-1969
Malacca/ Malay Peninsula 1786-1828
Malawi 1967-1968
Malta 1972-1982
New Brunswick 1843, 1854, 1861, 1862, 1864
New Zealand 1940-1967
Newfoundland 1864-1936
Nigeria 1959
Rhodesia and Nyasaland 1955-1963
Sarawak 1863-1941
Sierra Leone 1791, 1796, 1964, 1980
South Africa 1892-1959
Southern Rhodesia 1934-1954
Straits Settlements 1845-1908
The Gambia 1966
United States 1793-1857
Zambia 1966

half penny/cent
Australia 1911-1964
British North Borneo 1885-1907
British West Africa 1911-1952
Fiji 1934-1954
Ghana 1958
Great Britain 1799-1967
Ireland 1670-1823
Ireland Republic 1722-1782, 1928-1967
Isle of Man 1709-1860
Jamaica 1869-1969
Malacca/ Malay Peninsula 1787, 1810, 1825, 1828
New Brunswick 1843, 1854
New Zealand 1940-1967
Nigeria 1959
Rhodesia and Nyasaland 1955-1964
St. Helena 1821
Sarawak 1863, 1870, 1879, 1896, 1933
South Africa 1923-1960
Southern Rhodesia 1934-1954
Straits Settlements 1845-1916
United States 1793-1857
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Canada large cent also includes 1858 and 59 :)
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Also there are tokens that are canadian look up bank of upper Canada token and bank of lower Canada token. Some really interesting ones!
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Canada large cent also includes 1858 and 59 :)


yep yep, quite right. corrected. Still looking for that 1858 for my collection
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